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An Interlude: My Other CIA

This post is a one-day interlude from my posting on the textual problem of Luke’s passage on the “bloody sweat,” which was a sidetrack from my postings on problems I had with the NRSV, which were a sidetrack from my postings on my relationship with Bruce Metzger, which got started by a question about how he reacted to my loss of faith, a question I have not yet answered. This post is irrelevant to all that, but if I don’t post on it now, I never will.

So, this blog is not the one and only Christianity in Antiquity in my life. The other is a reading group that I host once a month, of graduate students and faculty (mainly graduate students) from UNC and Duke, which I started, I don’t know 15 years or more ago, and that I called Christianity in Antiquity (CIA) because I thought I would be clever. My self-deception on such points, obviously, has still not worn off.

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Autobiographical: Back to Metzger and Me
Carlo Martini, in memoriam



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    theology64  September 8, 2012

    Actually, when i transferred my credits from leeds uni, i broadened my horizons and studied other religions – obviously Christianity,Judaism, Hinduism, Islam, Sikhism and Buddhism – and before anyone says anything, i can argue that Buddhism is a “religion” – in relation to how Durkheim and Smart defines it anyway…What I am trying to say, is that I studied ‘Religion in history: conflict, conversion and coexistence’ , but it was a long time ago. However, I concentrated a lot on Islam, Judaism and Christian relationships from roughly the beginning right through to the present. Anyway, I am getting side-tracked now – back to Luke – when I have time.

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    theology64  September 8, 2012

    what the mass media does, and what they grab at, is to distort the peace-loving majorities, and exaggerate the militancy of the few. Angela, Sofija, Cepulis.

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    theology64  September 8, 2012

    As for epipany – (let’s say Spiritual Siameze Twins). I have got an un-canny feeling that Prof Bart will bring a book out concerning “Jesus and God”. I might be wrong. Forget about the historical figure of Jesus – my forte is the doctrine of the Trinity……Angela, Sofija, Cepulis. If Prof Bart is reading this, explain the doctrine.In my view, it does not exist.
    Many thanks
    And take care,
    Angela, Sofija, Cepulis.

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    theology64  September 8, 2012

    Of corse there was a mutual understanding. As History progressed and deteriorated, one undrestood.

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    theology64  September 8, 2012

    Bart knows fine well, that to write for the public is completely different than writing for scholars. I will not comment for a few weeks, and i will just see what happens on this blog. I am not being vindictive – far from it – i just want to see what the mind-set of some commentaters bring.

    Angela, sofija, Cepulis.

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    theology64  September 8, 2012

    Forgot to mention Astrology.

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    theology64  September 8, 2012

    Forgot, when Jesus ‘went off’ on his own, that is true, that is what happened.

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    cgstrat  September 10, 2012

    Those who think Islam is EVIL should read the book too, so that they will hopefully be convinced otherwise. They probably won’t, though.

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    gonzalogandia  September 10, 2012

    I’m not sure what theology64 is trying to say…am I the only one? It sounds like he’s speaking in tongues…

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    dewdds  September 12, 2012

    I look forward to the book written by your friend & colleague. Studies into the origins of Islam are a fascinating line of academia and one that I follow avidly. I would surmise that the lack of clash between Near Eastern Christianity of 7th c CE and Islam would be surprising to many who follow those religions today.

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    pbrockschmidt  December 11, 2013

    I’m new to the blog and catching up on previous posts. Got interested in early Islam as an offshoot of interest in early Christianity, and look forward to Michael Penn’s book. (Any pub date yet?)

    I’d like to know the reputable scholars in early Islam. I’ve read some far-out theories, including Mohammed (and Meca) mythicists, and the Quran as a mashup of Tanakh/New Testament/ealy Chritian hyms. A lot of times the authors write under pseudonyms, so you can’t really check them out. Suggestions?

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      Bart Ehrman  December 12, 2013

      I’d suggest you start with books by my colleagues Carl Ernst, Omid Safi, and (from cross-town-rival Duke) Bruce Lawrence.

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        zaidoon11  January 30, 2014

        Hi Bart,
        I just finished listening to your book “God’s Problem” and it certainly got me thinking and got interested in your other scholarly work.

        I am very interested in this book by Penn and I emailed him today to figure out the status of the book.

        I am also very interested in knowing if you have any particular views on Islam and Quran, the Quranic view of Jesus and the Bible? Do you have those views posted previously?


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