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                    <title>Stephen on Choosing Intelligent Design over Darwinian Evolution. Argumentation Analysis On the Opinion of the Court (2006)</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p><em>Do you believe that a functional paperclip could arise via totally-mindless-at-every-level processes?</em></p>
<p>No, but I do believe it's possible to demonstrate our lack of understanding by the nature of the questions we ask.  </p>
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                    <title>DavidFord on Choosing Intelligent Design over Darwinian Evolution. Argumentation Analysis On the Opinion of the Court (2006)</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Do you believe the _Basilosaurus_ hind-most appendages lacked a function?</p>
<p>"these tiny limbs were functionless relicts"<br />
Donald R. Prothero, _Evolution: What the Fossils Say and Why It Matters_, 2nd ed. (2017), 427pp., on 344-345<br />
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Page 320 — The next development occurred a few years later, when Gingerich et al. (1990) described new specimens of the archaeocete _Basilosaurus_ from the middle and upper Eocene deposits of Egypt.<br />
Although it was like other archaeocetes in being fully aquatic, these new specimens had something never previously preserved:<br />
the hind limbs.<br />
In most whales, there are no external hind limbs, but the remnants of the hip and thigh bones are buried in muscles along the spine halfway down the body (fig. 4.9).<br />
These specimens, however, had tiny hind limbs (about as large as a human arm on a 24 m long body!), which clearly did not function for locomotion.<br />
Like the vestigial hind limbs of modern whales buried inside the body, these tiny limbs were functionless relicts of the day when "whales" did walk on land.<br />
Since this discovery, other archaeocetes such as _Takracetus_ and _Gaviocetus_ have been found to retain vestigial hind limbs.</p>
<p>Philip D. Gingerich et al., "Hind Limbs of Eocene _Basilosaurus_: Evidence of Feet in Whales" (13 July 1990), 154-157<br />
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Thus hind limbs of _Basilosaurus_ are most plausibly interpreted as accessories facilitating reproduction.<br />
Abduction of the femur and plantar flexion of the foot, with the knee locked in extension, probably enabled hind limbs to be used as guides during copulation, which may otherwise have been difficult in a serpentine aquatic animal.<br />
Characteristics related to reproduction are often dimorphic in mammals, and dimorphism in a larger sample of limb elements would support the interpretation of hind limb function proposed here (lack of dimorphism would not necessarily refute it).<br />
Discovery of pelvic limbs and feet in _Basilosaurus_ raises the possibility that other archaeocetes retained functional hind limbs (24).</p>
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                    <title>Steefen on How to Defeat NASA. Its Control of Space Information, Its "Superior" Credentials. Go Forward without NASA. Go with China. Rejecting the Book of Genesis on Astronomy/Cosmology</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Greenewald has respect for the documentary The Phenomenon. </p>
<p>Stephen? <br />
Stephen's position is conspiracy, no evidence, and a jokingly dismissive "flying saucers."</p>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>My assessment of Stephen's participation in this thread is quite accurate.<br />
Stephen may be able to engineer people against credentialed people.<br />
Stephen has not personally attacked me?<br />
He has tried to manipulate and deceive people from paying attention to the topics in this thread with the respect these topics deserve. He has tried to belittle those at the highest levels of government, the Pentagon, the Department of Defense, and the Defense industry. He insults many people and organizations with his personal opinions and attacks.</p>
<p>Rhetoric is social engineering. When he cannot win an argument he uses his social engineering to unethically abuse the winning argument rather than graciously admit defeat. It's a deceit.</p>
<p>Sure he may have those who cheer him on because rhetoric wins popularity but not reasoning points. He has been no better than click bait in discussing the topics in this thread. That’s all. He will never rise above the level of mass entertainment to the semi-final and final rounds of a debate where data and facts determine the outcome of a decision.</p>
<p>And he's happy to remain there. And I am happy to leave him in the preliminary rounds of discussion rather than discuss this topic any further in an honest attempt to show him where and how this subject has advanced. He insults many people and organizations with his personal opinions and attacks, robbing people of respecting the work that has been done in this field. Stephen talks down to the most qualified people even when I try to see things from his point of view. Out of the goodness of my heart, I tried to cross the aisle and see his point of view through a critic of Elizondo but he still calls UFO/UAP disclosure "conspiracy" with no evidence which is a social engineering tactic to mold behavior and opinion, i.e.: social engineering. Social engineering is highly effective because it is often easier to exploit human psychology than to find vulnerabilities in the arguments for UAP and UAP disclosure.</p>
<p>I went through the trouble out of the goodness of my heart to find someone who has followed this subject from his youth as Stephen says he did. And that person, John Greenewald, did not come to the same conclusion Stephen did; so, Stephen loss the argument. </p>
<p>Unworthy of this site? That is unworthy of this site. I let someone else, an expert, speak and Stephen said what about the respectability John Greenewald deserves? Stephen said what about the deference Greenewald showed to Elizondo?</p>
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                    <title>DavidFord on Choosing Intelligent Design over Darwinian Evolution. Argumentation Analysis On the Opinion of the Court (2006)</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Do you believe that a functional paperclip could arise via totally-mindless-at-every-level processes?</p>
<p>Donald R. Prothero, _Evolution: What the Fossils Say and Why It Matters_, 2nd ed. (2017), 427pp., on 161, 163, 168<br />
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Naturally, these highly speculative ideas are very controversial but not impossible given what we know about the chemistry of clays and organic molecules.<br />
...<br />
What scientists _don't_ do is point to a complex system, say they can't imagine how it could have arisen by natural causes, and throw up their hands in surrender as creationists do.<br />
...<br />
If the reader still feels uncomfortable with the speculative nature of the research into the origins of life, we can put the whole issue aside for now.</p>
<p>David L. Abel, _Primordial Prescription: The Most Plaguing Problem of Life Origin Science_ (2015), 313pp., on 138<br />
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3.19.4 The spontaneous generation of a simple paper clip<br />
Reductionism has paid many dividends in science.<br />
Perhaps a much simpler model of origin than abiogenesis might help.<br />
How does a paper clip come into existence?<br />
Let’s suppose the happenstantial, spontaneous generation of an optimized paper clip were one’s scientific model for the origin of paper clips.<br />
Would that model be scientifically _plausible_?<br />
...<br />
Not finding any empirical evidence in the recorded history of human observation, true believers in this model could still argue that we would need eons of time to observe such an occurrence.<br />
That would be a tenable argument.<br />
But, given such a contention, that eons of time would be required to observe such an occurrence, belief in the spontaneous generation of non-trivial paper clips would remain just that—a metaphysical belief.<br />
It would have no empirical support.<br />
It would become a basically non-testable and functionally non-falsifiable belief (some might say, “superstition”).</p>
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                    <title>Robert on How to Defeat NASA. Its Control of Space Information, Its "Superior" Credentials. Go Forward without NASA. Go with China. Rejecting the Book of Genesis on Astronomy/Cosmology</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Steefen, your personal attack is uncalled for and unworthy of this site. Stephen has neither manipulated, nor deceived   anyone, nor stolen anyone credentials.</p>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<div class="Y3BBE">
<div style="display: contents"><strong>Social engineering</strong> is the psychological manipulation of people into performing actions or divulging confidential information, exploiting human error rather than technical vulnerabilities</div>
<p>. Attackers use deception, trust, and urgency to steal credentials, spread malware, or gain unauthorized access to systems and physical buildings.<span class="uJ19be notranslate"><span class="vKEkVd"><span> </span></span></span></p>
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<li class="dF3vjf"><span class="T286Pc"><strong class="Yjhzub">Techniques:</strong> Common methods include phishing (fraudulent emails), pretexting (creating a fabricated scenario), baiting (promising a reward), and impersonation of authority figures or trusted brands</span>
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<li class="dF3vjf"><span class="T286Pc"><strong class="Yjhzub">Process:</strong> Attacks often involve research (reconnaissance) to understand the target, followed by building trust, exploiting the target, and finally exiting the interaction while leaving the victim unaware.</span><span class="uJ19be notranslate"><span class="vKEkVd"><span> </span></span></span></li>
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<div class="Y3BBE">Social engineering is highly effective because it is often easier to exploit human psychology than to find vulnerabilities in software.</div>
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<div>= = =</div>
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<div>Stephen, you may be able to engineer people against credentialed people but your argumentation and persuasian abilities are zero and have been zero for a long time on this subject. I'm sure this subject which is far beyond my credentials is decided by those I report and the credentials they have.</div>
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<div>Even the critic of Elizondo respects Elizondo very much. That's way more than can be said of you who reckts his own credibility reducing those I've sited in this thread to your flippant "flying saucers" summation.</div>
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<div>My original conclusion is something I live with. You have not added one weight to your side of this discussion or to Greenewald's criticism of Elizondo. You have not made it out of the preliminary rounds. You're not as talented as you talk. When someone with excellent argumentation skills hears you, they know better than to vote you up to quarterfinal rounds where you would do not better than rank last.</div>
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<div>Sure you may have those who cheer you on because rhetoric wins popularity but not reasoning points. You're no better than click bait. That's all. You'll never rise above the level of mass entertainment to the semi-final and final rounds of a debate where data and facts determine the outcome of a decision. </div>
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<div>And you're happy to remain there.</div>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Steefen your problem is that for all your vaunted argumentation skills, you have a very poor idea of what actually constitutes evidence. </p>
<p>It is very difficult to explain to most people why an anecdote is not evidence. Do you understand why hearsay is generally not admissable in court?</p>
<p>An easy and obvious example: </p>
<p>In 1 Corinthians 15:6 Paul reports that after the Resurrection, Jesus appeared to more than 500 "brothers" at one time. Most whom were alive at the time Paul wrote. Modern Christian apologists breathlessly repeat this claim as evidence for the Resurrection. Do you see the problem? Paul is repeating a story he was told about an event he did not personally witness. </p>
<p>It doesn't matter who makes a claim. Claims aren't evidence. They require evidence. And the more extraordinary the claim the more extraordinary the evidence required.</p>
<p>But with aliens the task is rather easy.</p>
<p>Produce an alien.</p>
<p>But if they're shy, produce a piece of technology that could not be manufactured on earth.</p>
<p>Of course this is when the conspiracy theories begin. The evidence exists but it is being suppressed by Dark Forces active behind the scenes. The truth is out there but it is being hidden.  (Except of course for all the ex-govt agents trying to sell books.)</p>
<p>Do I sound cynical? All I can tell you is these opinions are not presuppositions with which I begin but conclusions I've reached after years of observation.  But I could be convinced. You just gotta do a heckuvalot better than this!</p>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Stephen and those who disagree with me,</p>
<p>You think you have more credibility then Former Deputy Assistant Secretary Defense for Intelligence, Christopher Mellon ? </p>
<p>"These things are real. They're here. This is happening now." - Christopher Mellon</p>
<p>Elizondo:<br />
Chris has his source and his chain of custody. I never asked Chris and I do not know or want to know. </p>
<p>Steefen:<br />
So, Elizondo can only contribute to this thread so far. ...</p>
<p>Go on, make that case that you are more informed (have higher security clearance) than Elizondo, his professional community and Chris Mellon.</p>
<p>[I finished watching the video interview.]</p>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>He had to provide qualified and quantified data to Boeing and Raytheon not just the Pentagon and the DoD.</p>
<p>And you, Stephen and all, say they and I, who side with Elizondo and his professional network have no credibility.<br />
It's just your "Walt Disney"/status quo bias and opinion that overwrites all that.</p>
<p>There is a there here:</p>
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<div style="display: contents">The Phenomenon</div>
<p>(2020) is a highly regarded documentary directed by <span><b>** you do not have permission to see this link **</b></span> that presents a serious, evidence-based examination of Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP/UFOs). It focuses on the history of sightings since WWII, featuring testimonies from high-ranking officials and credible witnesses to argue for a greater scientific study of the phenomenon.</p>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<div class="Y3BBE">Luis Elizondo and Christopher Mellon are former U.S. government officials who became prominent figures in the push for Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP/UFO) transparency. They were key members of To The Stars Academy of Arts &#038; Science (TTSA), a company co-founded by Tom DeLonge to research UAPs.<span class="uJ19be notranslate"><span class="vKEkVd"><span> </span></span></span></div>
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<li class="dF3vjf"><span class="T286Pc"><strong class="Yjhzub">Role:</strong> Former intelligence officer who ran the Pentagon’s secretive Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP) from 2009 to 2017.</span></li>
<li class="dF3vjf"><span class="T286Pc"><strong class="Yjhzub">Contribution:</strong> Resigned in 2017 to raise awareness about UAPs, subsequently joining TTSA. He was featured in the History Channel series <em class="eujQNb">Unidentified: Inside America's UFO Investigation</em>.</span></li>
<li class="dF3vjf"><span class="T286Pc"><strong class="Yjhzub">Significance:</strong> Known for confirming the existence of AATIP and facilitating the release of official Pentagon UFO videos.</span><span class="uJ19be notranslate"><span class="vKEkVd"><span> </span></span></span></li>
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<li class="dF3vjf"><span class="T286Pc"><strong class="Yjhzub">Contribution:</strong> Served as a national security advisor for TTSA and helped bring attention to the UAP issue through congressional channels.</span></li>
<li class="dF3vjf"><span class="T286Pc"><strong class="Yjhzub">Significance:</strong> A prominent voice in advocating for government transparency regarding UAP encounters.</span><span class="uJ19be notranslate"><span class="vKEkVd"><span> </span></span></span></li>
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<li class="dF3vjf"><span class="T286Pc"><strong class="Yjhzub">Mission:</strong> A "public benefit corporation" designed to research science and technology related to UAPs and other phenomena.</span></li>
<li class="dF3vjf"><span class="T286Pc"><strong class="Yjhzub">Impact:</strong> It brought together former officials like Elizondo, Mellon, and Dr. Hal Puthoff to work with, and push for, government transparency on UAPs.</span></li>
<li class="dF3vjf"><span class="T286Pc"><strong class="Yjhzub">Current Status:</strong> Elizondo and Mellon left TTSA in late 2020 to focus on independent lobbying and research for UFO transparency, according to reports.</span><span class="uJ19be notranslate"><span class="vKEkVd"><span> </span></span></span></li>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Luis Elizondo<br />
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<p>Steefen<br />
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<p> <b>** you do not have permission to see this link **</b> (AATIP), a secret Pentagon unit (2007–2012) dedicated to investigating UFOs/UAPs. AAWSAP (Advanced Aerospace Weapons Systems Application Program) was the broader, $22 million funded DIA program (2008–2010) that birthed AATIP and focused on advanced technology threats.</p>
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<li class="dF3vjf"><span class="T286Pc"><strong class="Yjhzub">AATIP (Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program):</strong> A specific, often described as a "covert" or "unpublicized" U.S. government initiative under the AAWSAP umbrella, led by Luis Elizondo. It focused on investigating UAPs observed by military personnel. Elizondo has stated that while the programs were distinct, they were closely related parts of the government's effort to analyze UFO data.</span></li>
<li class="dF3vjf"><span class="T286Pc"><strong class="Yjhzub">Elizondo's Role:</strong> Elizondo left the Pentagon in 2017 to raise awareness about the reality of UAP/UFO threats to national security, stating that his work included analyzing sensor data from Top Gun pilots.</span></li>
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<div class="Y3BBE"><strong class="Yjhzub">Differences in Programs:</strong><br />
According to investigators, AAWSAP was the official, funded contract program, while some, including former insiders, have argued over whether AATIP was a formally recognized program or a smaller "hobby group" of investigators working under the larger AAWSAP umbrella.</div>
<div class="Y3BBE">The information is largely based on disclosures surrounding the "Skinwalkers at the Pentagon" book and revelations from former officials</div>
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<div>Robert Bigelow is a billionaire aerospace entrepreneur and founder of Bigelow Aerospace who worked closely with Luis Elizondo during the Pentagon's secret UFO study, AATIP/AAWSAP. Bigelow provided facilities and funding for researching UAPs, including analyzing materials and investigating strange occurrences at Skinwalker Ranch.</div>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I think it's time to update my list of colorful beliefs Steefen has espoused here:</p>
<p>Jesus of Nazareth was not crucified by Pontius Pilate since neither that Jesus nor Nazareth existed at that time. Apocalyptic Christians in Rome were indeed guilty of trying to burn the city, confirmed by their own confessions when tortured under Nero. Astrology, spirit guides, reincarnation, prophecy, clairvoyance, ancient alien visitors to earth, advanced technologies of lost ancient civilizations, giants, dog-headed people (cynocephaly), remote-viewers in direct communication with aliens defending the earth from evil extra-terrestrials, ghosts, and goblins, crop circles, advanced technological structures underneath the pyramids, faked moon landings, etc. </p>
<p>Please let me know if I've missed any of the more important contributions to this forum.</p>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Although Inside the Black Vault is interviewing Elizondo, the book's description includes the following:</p>
<p>Inside The Black Vault: The Government’s UFO Secrets Revealed takes you on a journey within the secret world of unidentified aerial phenomenon that has plagued the military since at least the 1940s. Declassified records prove that the UFO topic is one of the most highly classified and most elusive subjects the U.S. Government has ever dealt with. Each chapter explores various agencies and their documents, and Greenewald breaks down the meaning of why some of the most important documents are relevant to proving a massive cover-up.</p>
<p>Along with declassified documents, Greenewald outlines the struggle it took him to get them. No other topic has proven so difficult, in more than 8,000 FOIA requests that he has filed. He explores why that might be and <span style="color: #0000ff"><strong>meets skeptics and debunkers head on, outlining why some of their more prominent rebuttals for it all cannot be true.</strong></span></p>
<p><strong>84%</strong> of the 579 ratings are 4 and 5 stars and this 84% say with Greenewald: <strong>skeptics and debunkers' rebuttals all cannot be true.</strong> </p>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Luis Elizondo: <span class="T286Pc">former head of the Pentagon’s Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP</span>)<br />
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Stephen quoting no one. </p>
<p>Leslie Kean's book 2,693 ratings averaging 4.5 stars.<br />
Leslie Kean bringing us Generals, Pilots, and Government Officials ON RECORD<br />
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Stephen quoting no one.</p>
<p>"If you don't know much about UFOs, you must read this book. If you think that UFO reports are nonsense, this book will disabuse you of that notion. Leslie Kean's UFOs informs readers at every level of knowledge and belief. It could, and should, become the "tipping point" that leads to public acceptance of the reality of UFOs and all of its implications."<br />
--Don Donderi, Ph.D., Department of Psychology, McGill University (Ret.)</p>
<p><span class="a-text-bold a-text-italic">NEW YORK TIMES </span><span class="a-text-bold">BESTSELLER  Impeccably researched, this riveting journalistic investigation separates fact from fiction, and documents ... government reactions <strong>to actual UFOs.</strong> </span></p>
<p>Steefen<br />
No need for me to continue because Stephen quotes no one at the level of a Pentagon Program head, he quotes no general, no pilot, no government official, no government contractor officer. He mentions Psychology. Well, Don Donderi, Ph.D. - Psychology contradicts Stephen's use of Psychology against UFOs.</p>
<p>Stephen isn't the only one to follow the subject from youth. John Greenewald, Jr. began researching government conspiracies at the age of 15. For more than two decades, he has turned his popular website, <strong>TheBlackVault.com,</strong> into one of the internet's premiere resources for officially declassified U.S. Government documents, totaling more than 2,000,000 pages. </p>
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<p>I'll watch this video to see if John Greenewald, Jr. does a better job than Stephen in criticizing Luis Elizondo.</p>
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<p>I'll pick up at 21:36 of 1hr 18 min.s.</p>
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