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                    <title>Stephen on Creation - Solar System. The Bible Is Wrong (Genesis 1: 2-5), Science is Right</title>
                    <link>https://ehrmanblog.org/forum/the-hebrew-bible/creation-solar-system-the-bible-is-wrong-genesis-1-2-5-science-is-right/page-4/#p49761</link>
                    <category>The Hebrew Bible</category>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p><em>If Jesus and God had come along and told people that they had evolved from stardust, they wouldn’t have been able to understand or handle it. </em></p>
<p>But they <em>could</em> understand not to mix fabrics or eat shrimp?</p>
<p>Perhaps the simplest explanation is that the people who wrote the Bible simply didn't have a clue.   </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2026 09:01:08 -0400</pubDate>
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                    <title>Helen Young on Creation - Solar System. The Bible Is Wrong (Genesis 1: 2-5), Science is Right</title>
                    <link>https://ehrmanblog.org/forum/the-hebrew-bible/creation-solar-system-the-bible-is-wrong-genesis-1-2-5-science-is-right/page-4/#p49754</link>
                    <category>The Hebrew Bible</category>
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<strong>Steefen said </strong><br />
Stars in the same cloud are stars in the same nebula?<br />
Now Henrik Scensmark calls it open stellar cluster.<br />
It seems gravity keeps it in a cluster, then stars fall away and become disc stars drifting out.<br />
Henrik Svensmark:<br />
Now we know nearly all stars have planetary formations.<br />
= = = = =<br />
A disk star (or disc star) is <!--qkimaf UkvR7_o/HugV6--><!--cqw1tb UkvR7_o/HugV6-->a star located within the flattened, rotating Galactic disc<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;&#124;[["https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galactic_disc",null,null,[null,null,null,null,null,null,null,null,null,null,null,null,null,null,null,[{"1218":[16]}]],16,null,null,null,null,null,null,[[1789336096103434,90872414,2570893785],null,null,null,null,[[2,0,0,11]]],null,"ee1fffbb-2f7b-4670-91f7-944ed90e1797"]]--> of a disc galaxy<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;&#124;[["https://www.cfa.harvard.edu/news/how-disc-galaxies-work",null,null,[null,null,null,null,null,null,null,null,null,null,null,null,null,null,null,[{"1218":[16]}]],16,null,null,null,null,null,null,[[1789336096103434,90872414,2570893785],null,null,null,null,[[2,0,0,12]]],null,"600c3a64-db6e-4655-8aa0-39f43b2a1f34"]]--> like the Milky Way<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;&#124;[[[null,null,null,null,null,null,null,null,null,null,null,null,[247864,null,0]]]]-->. Most disk stars, including our Sun, travel in nearly circular orbits around the center of the galaxy. [1, 2, 3]<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;&#124;[]--><br />
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Characteristics of Disk Stars<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;&#124;[]--></p>
<p>Location:<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;&#124;[]--> They sit inside the main flat plane of a spiral or lenticular galaxy rather than the spherical halo.<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;&#124;[]--><!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;&#124;[]--></p>
<p>Motion:<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;&#124;[]--> They move in ordered, circular paths around the galactic center.<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;&#124;[]--><!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;&#124;[]--></p>
<p>Sub-types:<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;&#124;[]--> Disks are often split into a thin disk<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;&#124;[]--> (younger, metal-rich stars like Population I) and a thick disk<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;&#124;[]--> (older, metal-poor stars).<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;&#124;[]--><!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;&#124;[]--></p>
<p>Origin:<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;&#124;[]--> They form directly inside the disk or migrate there over time from other regions.<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;&#124;[]--> [1, 2, 3, 4]<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;&#124;[]--></p>
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<p>(Note: If you meant a young star surrounded by a rotating disk of gas and dust—where planets form—that is called a protoplanetary disk or circumstellar disk.) [1, 2]<br />
= = = =</p>
<p> <br />
"Let there be space dust that forms stars and light and nearly all will have planetary formations."<br />
 <br />
I would say Yahweh and Jesus the logos did not say that. <br />
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<p>If Jesus and God had come along and told people that they had evolved from stardust, they wouldn't have been able to understand or handle it. Some people can barely handle it now, for various reasons.</p>
<p>Perhaps God &#038; JC thought that they should just leave that part of the story alone for the time being and work on the future of things instead of the past.</p>
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<p>One thing I'd say about evolution; is that it should make people think more of other life forms, not less of ourselves.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2026 07:15:18 -0400</pubDate>
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                    <title>Steefen on Creation - Solar System. The Bible Is Wrong (Genesis 1: 2-5), Science is Right</title>
                    <link>https://ehrmanblog.org/forum/the-hebrew-bible/creation-solar-system-the-bible-is-wrong-genesis-1-2-5-science-is-right/page-4/#p49738</link>
                    <category>The Hebrew Bible</category>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Stars in the same cloud are stars in the same nebula?<br />
Now Henrik Scensmark calls it open stellar cluster.</p>
<p>It seems gravity keeps it in a cluster, then stars fall away and become disc stars drifting out.</p>
<p>Henrik Svensmark:<br />
Now we know nearly all stars have planetary formations.</p>
<p>= = = = =</p>
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<div>= = = =</div>
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<div>"Let there be space dust that forms stars and light and nearly all will have planetary formations."</div>
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<div>I would say Yahweh and Jesus the logos did not say that. </div>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2026 13:56:19 -0400</pubDate>
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                    <title>Steefen on Creation - Solar System. The Bible Is Wrong (Genesis 1: 2-5), Science is Right</title>
                    <link>https://ehrmanblog.org/forum/the-hebrew-bible/creation-solar-system-the-bible-is-wrong-genesis-1-2-5-science-is-right/page-4/#p49737</link>
                    <category>The Hebrew Bible</category>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>The time has come for me to learn more about the Creation of stars.</p>
<p>I cannot just say stars come from a nebula. Let's see what can be added to that.</p>
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<p> </p>
<p>Who is Herik Svensmark?</p>
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<p><span class="ytAttributedStringHost ytAttributedStringWhiteSpacePreWrap" dir="auto"><span class="ytAttributedStringLinkInheritColor" dir="auto" style="color: #065fd4"><b>** you do not have permission to see this link **</b></span><span class="ytAttributedStringLinkInheritColor" dir="auto" style="color: #131313"> - Supernova activity correlation to Earth's temperature</span></span></p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2026 13:37:35 -0400</pubDate>
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                    <title>Steefen on Historical Accuracy, 2nd Edition by Steve Campbell and The Hebrew Bible and Younger Dryas, Sumer Floods vs Noah</title>
                    <link>https://ehrmanblog.org/forum/the-hebrew-bible/historical-accuracy-2nd-edition-by-steve-campbell-and-the-hebrew-bible-and-younger-dryas-sumer-floods-vs-noah/page-4/#p49509</link>
                    <category>The Hebrew Bible</category>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Then take what Bart says, hook, line, and sinker.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2026 12:39:40 -0400</pubDate>
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                    <title>Robert on Historical Accuracy, 2nd Edition by Steve Campbell and The Hebrew Bible and Younger Dryas, Sumer Floods vs Noah</title>
                    <link>https://ehrmanblog.org/forum/the-hebrew-bible/historical-accuracy-2nd-edition-by-steve-campbell-and-the-hebrew-bible-and-younger-dryas-sumer-floods-vs-noah/page-4/#p49498</link>
                    <category>The Hebrew Bible</category>
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<strong>Steefen said </strong></p>
<p>... Sure, humans were not around 3 to 4 billion years ago but ...</p>
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<p>This is the entire point, Steefen. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2026 11:35:47 -0400</pubDate>
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                    <title>Steefen on Historical Accuracy, 2nd Edition by Steve Campbell and The Hebrew Bible and Younger Dryas, Sumer Floods vs Noah</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I was never comfortable with Matthew LaCroix constantly saying the Younger Dryas when speaking about Flood accounts because it was what was after the Younger Dryas that brought the water.</p>
<p>= = = =</p>
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<p><strong>Robert said </strong></p>
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Robert said<br />
Correct me if I'm mistaken, but none of the flood examples you go on the to describe people provide geological evidence that any one flood covered the entire earth. Correct? </p>
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Steefen said<br />
What?<br />
Maybe you're saying this:<br />
None of the flood examples described provide geological evidence that a flood covered the entire earth.</p>
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<p>Yes, that's exactly what I meant, and I think it is also exactly what Bart was referring to with "any such thing," ie, any geological evidence of a flood that covered the entire earth.<br />
I don't disagree that locals may have experienced some of these  catastrophic floods as presumably covering the entire earth, but there's no geological evidence of any such thing.<br />
  </p>
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<p>"Scientific evidence suggests that Earth was completely covered by a global ocean about 3 to 4 billion years ago<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;&#124;[[]]-->."</p>
<p>There is more reason to comment against "no geological evidence of the earth being covered by water."</p>
<p>Sure, humans were not around 3 to 4 billion years ago but no geological evidence for ANY SUCH THING needs an elaboration of clarification. "Covering the entire earth, but there's no geological evidence" needs an elaboration of thorough clarification. </p>
<p>When a god is a local god and not a global god, that god's whole territory can have all humans in that locale wiped out. Second, the whole globe was once completely covered by water in some form (ice, liquid, maybe gas). Geology does speak for ANY such thing.</p>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Comment 64 and 65 should go to the thread</p>
<p>Topics of Discussion:<br />
Tim Keller (1950-2023), Sean McDowell, Wesley Huff and Steve Campbell on The Historical Accuracy and Reliability of the Bible</p>
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<p><strong>Stephen said </strong></p>
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<p>Steefen said </p>
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<p>Stephen said<br />
While there have certainly been devastating  environmental catastrophies in the past, that's not what Noah's Flood is all about. There it's not simply a matter of rising waters and storms. The waters of Primordial Chaos are released through the Firmament and the disk of the Earth is covered in an Uncreation of the World.  This is Myth. Not History.<br />
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<p>Bart was talking about Atrahasis in his post, not Noah.<br />
  </p>
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<p>Ok but it's the same mythic complex.   To associate these stories with historical occurrences simply misses the point.  <br />
  </p>
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<p>No it doesn't: people can look for a geological confirmation. </p>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>YouTube Channel: Truth Verdict is homework for those who find problems with Christianity and the Bible.</p>
<p>It's also homework for the topic of suffering, which is the topic Bart brought up.</p>
<p>This might strengthen my 2% for the Bible and Jesus or my 98% against the Bible and Jesus.</p>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Lee Strobel throws down the gauntlet. Steve Campbell has to deal with this.</p>
<p>Steefen:</p>
<p>Okay, I'll look at it.</p>
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<p><strong>Steefen said </strong></p>
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<p>Stephen said<br />
While there have certainly been devastating  environmental catastrophies in the past, that's not what Noah's Flood is all about. There it's not simply a matter of rising waters and storms. The waters of Primordial Chaos are released through the Firmament and the disk of the Earth is covered in an Uncreation of the World.  This is Myth. Not History.<br />
  </p>
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<p>Bart was talking about Atrahasis in his post, not Noah.<br />
  </p>
</blockquote>
<p>Ok but it's the same mythic complex.   To associate these stories with historical occurrences simply misses the point.  </p>
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<strong><span style="background-color: inherit">Robert said</span></strong></p>
<p>Correct me if I'm mistaken, but none of the flood examples you go on the to describe people provide geological evidence that any one flood covered the entire earth. Correct? </p>
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<p>
<strong>Steefen said</strong></p>
<p>What?<br />
Maybe you're saying this:<br />
None of the flood examples described provide geological evidence that a flood covered the entire earth.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Yes, that's exactly what I meant, and I think it is also exactly what Bart was referring to with "any such thing," ie, any geological evidence of a flood that covered the entire earth.</p>
<p>I don't disagree that locals may have experienced some of these  catastrophic floods as presumably covering the entire earth, but there's no geological evidence of any such thing.</p>
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