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                    <title>Steefen on Francesco Carotta asked his readers to look at Julius Caesar and Jesus. Paul George asked his readers to look at Cicero and Jesus.</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Julius Caesar was lethally betrayed.</p>
<p>Jesus was lethally betrayed.</p>
<p>= = = =</p>
<p>It was a nice video.</p>
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                    <title>Serene on "Love the Lord YOUR God, not OUR God," could Jesus have inherited another God than Yahweh patrilineally?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size: 18pt"><strong>Next</strong></span></p>
<p>I decode the Egyptian deity Iah/Yah as "Ea in the lunar god Sin," the 28th lunar day.</p>
<p><b>** you do not have permission to see this link **</b>?</p>
<p>Sabat?</p>
<p>Name of "Life"?</p>
<p>A Mesopotamian culture known by scholars for adding "h"s to elite names connected to a diaspora in Egypt?</p>
<p> </p>
<p>It's all there </p>
<p> </p>
<p>This type of syncretism reminds of Ra-Horarkhty, the Horus in the horizon of Ra that is Akhenaten's Aten, a formerly obscure royal household god.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>(Also will check out any possible connection between Nabataean <span style="font-size: 12pt">Dushara/Dushares</span> and <b>** you do not have permission to see this link **</b> logogram that phonetically reads <span style="font-size: 12pt">dasar-re</span>.</p>
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In Enūma eliš, col. vii, ll. 1–2 (Lambert 2013, 124–125) Asar (dasar-re)...</p>
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<p>The "Du-" of Dushara means "Lord," similar to the "d" of dasar-re denoting a deity. And double consonants of a logogram would be made single. I think it's the same deity.</p>
<p>I've already made a detailed case for Dushara mapping to Enki/Ea characteristics like the Petra pool complex, freshwater ablution, Life epithets, benevolent character, healing praise, extra-curly beard resembling water, and being specific to the royal family/throne with a partial Mesopotamian origin, per Dr. David Graf. Dushara representing the son could make sense, especially considering the rise of Marduk in Babylonian cosmology, who absorbs both Ea and Asar's myths.)</p>
<p> </p>
<p><span style="font-size: 18pt">ADDING</span>: Oh yeah</p>
<p><span style="font-size: 24pt">Crown of Thorns</span></p>
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prince, the great prince, has fixed firmly a holy crown for you in your precinct -- O Eridug <strong>with a crown placed on your head, bringing forth thriving thornbushes</strong></p>
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<p dir="ltr">On a <strong>thornwood</strong> fire you scatter a censer of flour and juniper. You libate pure water and invoke Ea and Asalluhi</p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 24pt">The Lord of Exorcism Washes Sins In The River</span></p>
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Asalluhi, lord of exorcism.<br />
19 May my guilt be distant, 3,600 leagues away,<br />
20 May the river receive it from me and take it down to its depths.</p>
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<p> </p>
<p><span style="font-size: 24pt">Shepherd of People</span></p>
<p>Context: at this point in history Marduk absorbs Ea and Assalluhi myths (here scholars easily divide out which sections are which, because the ancient author simply introduces each section by the absorbed deity name:</p>
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Anshar gives him a second name, <span style="font-size: 18pt">Asalluhi...</span>With water and [011] they swore...<br />
“<span style="font-size: 24pt">The son, our champion, shall be the highest. (105)</span><br />
<span style="font-size: 24pt">“His lordship shall be supreme, he shall have no rival,</span><br />
<span style="font-size: 24pt">“He shall be the shepherd of the people of this land</span><span style="font-size: 24pt">...</span><span style="font-size: 24pt">They shall tell of his ways...He shall do the same on earth as </span><span style="font-size: 24pt">what he brought to pass in heaven...Let the people ofthis land be divided as to gods,</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 24pt">“(But) by Whatever name We call him, let him be our god...</span></p>
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<p>So again, when the Gospels say "it was written in scripture" and that scripture *is not found in the Hebrew Bible* what scripture are they talking about?</p>
<p><span style="font-size: 24pt">the pure spittle that heals</span></p>
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"will purify the spittle"</p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 24pt">FRAGRANCE</span></p>
<p>(There is <em>nobody</em> else in the Bible but Jesus that gets mountains of fragrance at birth, mountains of fragrance at the tomb, and a Nabataean unguentarium perfume that cost a year's wages. </p>
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"princely aroma/fragrance”</p>
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<p>Fragrance (basically healing substances) is uniquely associated in Mesopotamian lore with Asalluhi.</p>
<p>So those are some more likenesses to Jesus in the Gospels.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Matthew 16:15</p>
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He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” 16 Simon Peter said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”</p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 12pt">Well, the <em>Son of The Living One</em> in the Antiquarian Revival of Seleucid  (and some Alsacid) Uruk is: Asar/Asalluhi, Ea/Enki's <em>son</em>.</span></p>
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                    <title>Steefen on Francesco Carotta asked his readers to look at Julius Caesar and Jesus. Paul George asked his readers to look at Cicero and Jesus.</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>1 hr 15 min.s<br />
Things weren't working long before Caesar crossed the Rubicon.</p>
<p>= = =</p>
<p>Caesar is notoriously charming.</p>
<p>= = = </p>
<p>The Jewish population of Rome came to say goodbye and lament Caesar because he looked after the wider interests of Rome.<br />
Caesar had a very broad appeal beyond the elite.</p>
<p>Adrian Goldsworthy:<br />
Once Caesar is murdered there is no prospect of restoring the Republic.</p>
<p>Derek Lambert:<br />
There is a thread that connects Caesar's deification to Christian ideas of divine figures.<br />
Octavian became son of the Divine.<br />
That same language appears in the New Testament applied to Jesus.<br />
How is knowing Roman imperial theology important to someone crafting legends about Jesus?</p>
<p>Adrian Goldsworthy:<br />
It's not just theology. It's broader than that.<br />
...Josephus wound up living around the imperial household. (1 hr 55 minutes)</p>
<p>Derek Lambert<br />
There are Greco-Roman tropes (a recognized conventions, devices in storytelling) in the gospels.</p>
<p>Steefen<br />
So there are Julius Caesar and Son of the Divine (Augustus) tropes/propaganda in the gospels about Jesus.</p>
<p>Adrian:<br />
Yes, Caesar made an impression</p>
<p>Steefen<br />
and he initiated tropes</p>
<p>Adrian:<br />
Augustus even more so than Julius Caesar. / When Jesus says look at this coin, Render to Caesar the coins that have his face on it. That wasn't Tiberius' face it was Augustus' face more probably. // Someone from rural Galilee does not have trope/propaganda power.</p>
<p>pick up at 2:07.07</p>
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                    <title>Steefen on Francesco Carotta asked his readers to look at Julius Caesar and Jesus. Paul George asked his readers to look at Cicero and Jesus.</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Adrian Goldsworthy talks at length about Roman morality (ending at about 43:47) without talking at length about the Saturnalia.</p>
<p>Oh, Lord, this video is 2 hours and 24 minutes.</p>
<p>Derek Lambert (55:50):<br />
Some modern scholars would say Caesar committed a genocide, killing about a million people in Gaul and another million enslaved.</p>
<p>Adrian Goldsworthy:<br />
There are some tribes of Gaul who never fought Rome.<br />
Some joined the Romans.<br />
Some joined the Romans and then quit the Romans.</p>
<p>... Cicero has ambiguous feelings toward Caesar.</p>
<p>Pick up at 1:03.28</p>
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                    <title>Steefen on Francesco Carotta asked his readers to look at Julius Caesar and Jesus. Paul George asked his readers to look at Cicero and Jesus.</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<h4>Francesco Carotta asked his readers to look at Julius Caesar</h4>
<p>Steefen/Steve Campbell, author of Historical Accuracy:</p>
<p>Okaaayyyyyy.</p>
<p>YouTube Channel: MythVision Podcast</p>
<p>YouTube Video:</p>
<h6>One of the Greatest Roman Historians Alive Explains the REAL Julius Caesar &#124; Adrian Goldsworthy</h6>
<p> </p>
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<p> </p>
<p>Steefen:<br />
I'm very happy to watch a video of scholar Adrian Goldsworthy being interviewed.</p>
<p>His book Caesar: The Life of a Colossus (2007) has 2,398 ratings averaging 4.6 stars, 94% 4 stars or better </p>
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                    <title>Serene on "Love the Lord YOUR God, not OUR God," could Jesus have inherited another God than Yahweh patrilineally?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>John 1:1</p>
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In the beginning was the Word...</p>
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<p>To recap, I believe that <strong>John the Baptist's</strong> followers, the Mandaeans, are essentially re-enacting<span style="font-size: 18pt"><em> the world's first written religion,</em> </span>while <strong>Jesus</strong> was running the latest version of this 'software'.</p>
<p>I've claimed that the Mandaean concept of Emanations seem to describe how the original Lord of Life epithet iterates across civilizations — Sumerian, Akkadian, Egyptian and Greek.</p>
<p><strong>Enki to Ea</strong> — academic consensus.</p>
<p><strong>Osiris to Serapis</strong> — academic consensus.</p>
<p><strong>Ea to Osiris </strong>— Serene and Serene consensus.</p>
<p>So how could a Mesopotamian deity iterate in Egypt? The answer is That Simple — Ea's <em>son</em> Asar has Osiris' original name, Asar.</p>
<p>• <strong>Ea's son Asar's </strong>name in logogram: <em>City + Eye</em> ("Watcher of the City").</p>
<p>• <strong>Osiris/Asar's </strong>name in logogram: <em>Throne + City</em> ("Watcher of the Throne").</p>
<p>To me this reads as a deity transported by a royal family, the same as the Nabataean deity Dushara. And in the Mandaean Diwan of Abator (Scroll of Abator), the Third Life's symbol is the throne. Reminder that I think that the Mandaean Third Life describes Osiris, and that I think that the Third Life's name of Abator likely works out to "He/One of Abot," Osiris' city of Abydos' original name.</p>
<p>Osiris shows up during Egypt's Fifth Dynasty c. 2498 BC–c. 2345 BC, faaaar after the "<b>** you do not have permission to see this link **</b>" that begins c. 3600 BCE. Wiki link for ease.</p>
<p>The first genetic background of an Egyptian high-status Third/Fourth Dynasty individual was sequenced in 2025 (all bolding mine):</p>
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<strong>For the first time in 2025</strong>, a study was able to give insights into the <strong>genetic background of Early Dynastic Egyptians</strong>, by sequencing the whole genome of an Old Kingdom adult male <strong>Egyptian</strong> of <strong>relatively high-status</strong>, radiocarbon-dated to <strong>2855–2570 BCE</strong>, with funerary practices archeologically attributed to the <strong>Third and Fourth Dynasty</strong>, which was excavated in Nuwayrat (Nuerat, نويرات), in a cliff 265 km south of Cairo.[76][77] Before this study, whole-genome sequencing of ancient Egyptians from the early periods of Egyptian Dynastic history had not yet been accomplished, mainly because of the problematic DNA preservation conditions in Egypt.[76]</p>
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<p>Let's get granular with the "two-source model":</p>
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Most of his genome derives from Neolithic North African ancestry, itself rooted in a Levantine expansion into northeast Africa ~8,000 years ago. </p>
<p><strong>The remaining ~20% of his genetic ancestry derives from populations of the eastern Fertile Crescent, including Mesopotamia.[76</strong>] <strong>The resulting genetic profile is most closely represented by a two-source model</strong>, in which 77.6% ± 3.8% of the ancestry corresponded to genomes from the Middle Neolithic Moroccan site of Skhirat-Rouazi (dated to 4780–4230 BCE), which itself consists of predominantly (76.4 ± 4.0%) Levant Neolithic ancestry and (23.6 ± 4.0%) minor Iberomaurusian ancestry, while the remainder (22.4% ± 3.8%) <strong>was most closely related to known genomes</strong> <strong>from</strong> <strong>Neolithic</strong> <strong>Mesopotamia</strong> (dated to 9000-8000 BCE).[76][79].)</p>
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<p>To sum up, they found about 20% of Mesopotamian DNA in a noble Egyptian's remains of the Third or Fourth Dynasty. Osiris first appears during the Fifth Dynasty. This is plenty of time to facilitate cultural diffusion.</p>
<p><strong>Mesopotamian Asar, </strong>later called<strong> Asarluhi/Asalluhi</strong> functions mostly like the agent of his father Ea, with special associations with the netherworld:</p>
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<span id="tb_23" class="t s1_23">There are several examples in the early texts where the </span> <span id="tc_23" class="t s1_23">borders between abzu and the netherworld are fuzzy. For example, P. Stein- </span> <span id="td_23" class="t s1_23">keller has claimed that abzu, as it appears in the </span><span id="te_23" class="t s3_23">Zami </span><span id="tf_23" class="t s1_23">hymn preceding the hymn </span> <span id="tg_23" class="t s1_23">dedicated to Asar can be considered synonymous (“virtually identical”) with the </span> <span id="th_23" class="t s1_23">netherworld, i.e., the land of the dead. </span> </p>
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<p>This extra emphasis on the netherworld is where Osiris could come in.</p>
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<p>• <strong>Mesopotamian Asar/Asalluhi</strong> has an epithet of "<b>** you do not have permission to see this link **</b>" because he judges people at the river.</p>
<p>• <strong>Egyptian Asar/Osiris</strong> judges people at the river.</p>
<p>• <strong>Mesopotamian Asar/Asalluhi</strong> is the "leopard prince."</p>
<p> • <strong>Egyptian Asar/Osiris's</strong> priests wear leopard to embody him. </p>
<p>• <strong>Mesopotamian Asar/Asalluhi </strong>The folk etymology for "Asar-" describes how he fertilizes garden greenery with his water.</p>
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In Enūma eliš, col. vii, ll. 1–2 (Lambert 2013, 124–125) Asar (dasar-re) is described as an agricultural deity explained in Akkadian based on dividing asar-re into elements a (“water”), sar (“garden, greenery”) and rig (“to donate”) in Sumerian (see Deimel 1945, 262–263). </p>
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<p><strong>• Egyptian Asar/Osiris</strong> is colored green for how he fertilizes agriculture with his water.</p>
<p>• <strong>Egyptian</strong> <strong>Asar/Asalluhi</strong> is:</p>
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<p dir="ltr"><em>"He who raises the dead to life."</em></p>
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<p><strong>• Mesopotamian Asar/Osiris</strong> is:</p>
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"The One who executes reanimation." <em>s-ꜥnḫ</em></p>
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<p>Were there any ancient people claiming that there had been early cultural diffusion in Egypt? A group who claimed to be ethnically Sabaean but left because of a deteriorating dam, and whose name root "Sab," in Aramaic means "<strong>wash," </strong>which could possibly be connected to Asarluhi's appended  "-luhi," which Assyriologist Dr. Lambert thought meant <strong>"to wash"</strong>?</p>
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<span style="font-size: 12pt">The Ethiopians say that the Egyptians are one of their colonies which was brought into Egypt by Osiris". —<sup class="mw-ref reference"> 1rst Century BCE Greek historian Diodorus Siculus</sup></span></p>
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<p>Pretty easy cipher, right? Yeah, none of you billions of people got it. <em>Gets carried by teddy bears like C-3PO.</em></p>
<p>I hope to improve my working hypothesis "How Government Made God" with this new-to-me information. And additionally considering the ancient Pantera commentary around <strong>Jesus,</strong> and panther being just another name for leopard (for which I've earlier explored the Persian myth around Rostam, who I believe is an excellent candidate for having an Asar precedent<em>),</em><em> </em>and Asar's attribute of eloquence (compare Luke 4:22 and Luke 21:15), <span style="background-color: inherit">I propose that <strong>Jesus</strong> is first acting in the living image of the son, Asar, and then in Revelation as the father, Ea, a name which again, scholar Peeter Espak interprets as "The Living One." This would likely be in anútu, in Anu the unmanifested all-that-is deity's power.</span></p>
<p>And that this explains the persistent comparisons of Enki, Ea, Osiris (and even that one Roman with Serapis) to <strong>Jesus</strong> — because the Antiquarian Revival that swept almost the entire Ancient Near East, including books like Enoch (Mandaean Anush), was slowest to arrive in really rural Galilee.</p>
<p>Apocalyptic literature — predicting the signs of the beginning or end of an age — makes more sense when you just dug up millennia of golden age cycles. </p>
<p>all copyright me</p>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p><span style="background-color: inherit">Genesis 34:8</span></p>
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Hamor the father of Shechem went out to Jacob to talk with him.</p>
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<p>I found a 10/10 no notes blogpost last week — in 2017, Blambore, an independent researcher with a claimed engineering background, found that since the original Masoretic Hebrew does not use spaces between words, ie scripto continua, that the phrase "Hamor, father of" (חמור אבי) is orthographically identical to the name "Hammurabi" (חמוראבי), and claims that this unusual phrasing (which has puzzled scholars) reveals Abraham'<span style="background-color: inherit">s Lord as Hammurabi:</span></p>
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<span style="background-color: inherit">Indeed, as there was no space between letters in ancient Hebrew, there is no difference in the spelling of “Hamor, father of” (חמור אבי) and that of “Hammurabi” (חמוראבי). This expression therefore makes for a perfect play on word, as the non-initiates will always read and understand it as “Hamor, father of Shechem”.  </span></p>
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<p>I'm shocked, of course.</p>
<p>🤔 You mean the Lord that Abraham builds an altar to in Mamre the Amorite's oak grove?</p>
<p>So, archaeologically-attested Shechem is fortified from c. 1750 BCE-1150 BCE<strong>:</strong></p>
<p><span style="background-color: inherit">• <strong>1760 BCE </strong>This is what the Orthodox yeshiva Ohr Somayach's <b>** you do not have permission to see this link **</b> offers as a ballpark date for their entry "Abraham and Sarah begin teaching </span><span style="background-color: inherit">Torah." Ohr Somayach <em>also</em> ballparks <em>Hammurabi</em> giving his Codes of Hammurabi with this same 1760 BCE ballpark date (to be historically precise, it's <strong>1763 BCE</strong>.) Codes of Hammurabi = teaching Torah?</span></p>
<p><span style="background-color: inherit">• <strong>1750 BCE</strong> is again, the year that Egyptologist and <b>** you do not have permission to see this link **</b> Dr. Phillippe Bohstrom posits for Abraham in Ur, based on records of the first shepherd incursion.</span></p>
<p><span style="background-color: inherit">• <strong>1750 BCE</strong> is also of course, Hammurabi's final departure year, when he would customarily grant blessings conferring land use rights to those with successful campaigns, like that 1750 BCE shepherd incursion in Ur. (Bambore, the discoverer of Hammurabi's name in the phrase "Hamor, father of," cites 1752 BCE as Hammurabi's end of reign, while 1750 BCE is the Brittanica dating as well as most other sites.)</span></p>
<p>Genesis 33:18</p>
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Jacob came safely to the city of Shechem, which is in the land of Canaan, on his way from Paddan-aram; and he camped before the city </p>
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<p><span style="background-color: inherit">Archaeologically, Shechem only becomes anything resembling a <b>** you do not have permission to see this link **</b> </span><em>after</em> <strong>1750 BCE</strong><span style="background-color: inherit">, where it receives sudden fortification — meaning that Jacob arriving to the </span><em>city</em><span style="background-color: inherit"> of Shechem also takes place within the Ohr Somayach/Dr. Bohstrom/Serene timeline.</span></p>
<p>Genesis 10:34</p>
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Jesus answered, “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, you are gods’?</p>
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<p dir="ltr">all copyright someone who is baseline kind</p>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p><strong>Matthew 13:35</strong></p>
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that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, “I will open My mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world</p>
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<p>Nasoraeans — "shup uuuup".</p>
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From Hadrian Augustus to Servianus the consul, Greetings. The land of Egypt (praises of which you have recounted to me, dear Servianus) I have found to be wholly light-minded, fickle, and following after rumors. There, those worshipping Serapis are Christians, and devotees of Serapis are {calling/styling themselves} ‘bishops of Christ’. There is no chief of the Jewish synagogue, no Samaritan, no Christian presbyter, who is not an astrologer, bird-diviner, or fortune-teller. Even Patriarch himself, if he comes to Egypt, is forced on the one hand to show reverence Serapis, and on the other to Christ” — c. 134 CE</p>
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<p><b>** you do not have permission to see this link **</b></p>
<p>Recapping my Mandaean (<strong>John the Baptist's</strong> followers, the priests of which are Nasoraean) First Life-Fourth Life cipher:</p>
<p>• Enki v 1.0</p>
<p>• Ea v 2.0</p>
<p>• Osiris v 3.0</p>
<p>• Serapis v 4.0</p>
<p>So, syncretizing male water ablution salvific figures may not just be simply a matchy-matchy continuity of function, it may even reflect an understanding of cultural diffusion.</p>
<p>Compare the <b>** you do not have permission to see this link **</b> in John 5:1-15. Also Isis, Osiris/Serapis' consort that reached a zenith of status with Serapis, experienced a continuity of function with Mary veneration.</p>
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As I remarked at the outset, very few ancient materials are available which offer any sort of explanation of either the nature or the meaning of the ablution rites conducted within the Isis-Sarapis cult. Of particular value are a few passages found in the Metamorphoses of Apuleius, for they offer an indication of the manner in which ablutions were carried out. According to Metamorphoses 11.23, before Lucius underwent his initiation, he was led by the priest ‘‘to the neighboring public baths’’ (ad proxumas balneas) in order to be purified...</p>
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<p>— <b>** you do not have permission to see this link **</b>Robert A. Wild, 1981, Brill</p>
<p>Christian apologist Tertullian (165-225 CE) thought that Serapis was formed from Joseph's good deeds being exaggerated into miracles. Oh no 🐢ian, how could that even happen?</p>
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<p>
It is therefore a small matter that they have also deified a man—him, I mean, whom not Egypt only, or Greece, but the whole world worships, and the Africans swear by; about whose state also all that helps our conjectures and imparts to our knowledge the semblance of truth is stated in our own (sacred) literature. For that Serapis of yours was originally one of our own saints called Joseph.</p>
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<p>Returning to Matthew 13:35's quote:</p>
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I will open My mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world</p>
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<p>Sumerians seem to value intelligence over might, the benefits of civilization, and grace; and cast any other group than themselves as rougher. So does setting information to be found by only those with emotional intelligence avoid upsetting assumptions about reality, and selects for grateful seekers when they reach a point in their own emotional development where they know what to look for?</p>
<p>The foundation of the world ≠ the creation of the universe, or the creation of earth, or even the creation of humanity in Sumerian lore, such as is revived in the Antiquarian Revival of Seleucid Uruk — the "foundation of the world" corresponds to the installation of the mes, the <em>beginning of civilization.</em></p>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p dir="ltr"><strong>Revelation 22:16</strong></p>
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<p dir="ltr">I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright morning star."</p>
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<p dir="ltr">This is a full lineage claim in my opinion:</p>
<p dir="ltr"><strong>1.</strong> <strong>Tribal</strong>. David's root and David's offspring. The Book of Isaiah requires Jesse's lineage (David's root). </p>
<p dir="ltr"><strong>2</strong>.<strong> High Royalty</strong>. The bright morning star is a descriptor of Venus, which marked a claim to high royalty since at least the world's first empire, with Sargon of Akkad.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Closer to the First Century, Caesar even claimed a direct lineage to Venus as Aphrodite. Academic consensus gives Aphrodite's origin as Ishtar. Scholar Aren Wilson-Wright proposes that the name Aphrodite originates as the Phoenician epithet ʾaprodīt, "The Sublime One" for Ishtar:</p>
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<p dir="ltr">Linguistically, Aphrodite derives from ʾaprodīt, a feminine elative form of the root prd meaning ‘unique, excellent, sublime’. As such, it would be semantically opaque to the Greek sailors who brought the cult of Aphrodite back to the Aegean, unlike the other Greek epithets applied to this goddess. </p>
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<p dir="ltr"><b>** you do not have permission to see this link **</b></p>
<p dir="ltr">- <em>Wilson-Wright, Aren M. (2019). "Venus's Name: The Divine Name Aphrodite as a Phoenician Epithet." Paper presented at the European Association of Biblical Studies (EABS) Annual Conference, Warsaw, Poland, August 2019.</em></p>
<p dir="ltr">Arabian rulers also claimed their royalty through Venus, but via the male deity ‘Attar, who has a more ancient origin. Sheiks or tribal kings under the Arabian Confederacy styled themselves as Son of ‘Attar in the Son of [Deity] style. I think this begs the question, "How would their king-of-kings style themselves?" </p>
<p dir="ltr">The male ‘Attar represents solely the morning star aspect of Venus, and it is suggested that it was syncretized with the Sumerian Inanna to form the Sumero-Akkadian Ishtar, who represents both morning and evening aspects of Venus.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Again, Wiki for ease:</p>
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<p dir="ltr">It has been suggested that ʿAṯtar as a masculine Venus god was syncretized into the depiction of feminine Venus goddess Inanna in her depiction as having a masculine beard</p>
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<p dir="ltr">Returning to a portion of Revelation 22:16 in the original Koine Greek:</p>
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<p dir="ltr">ὁ ἀστὴρ ὁ λαμπρὸς ὁ πρωϊνός (ho astēr ho lampros ho prōinos)</p>
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<p dir="ltr">The literal translation is "The star, the radiant [one], the dawn-[one/star]."</p>
<p dir="ltr">In my working hypothesis, in the Transjordan this descriptor may most closely match ‘Attar Shamayin, the deity that eventually becomes attached to the Quedarites who are theorized to provide the Arab lineage of the multi-lineage Nabataeans:</p>
<p dir="ltr">Does <strong>Jesus</strong> ever in the New Testament condemn polytheism, such as was the standard for Jewish teachers? </p>
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<p dir="ltr">Atarsamain is twice mentioned in the annals of Ashurbanipal, king of the Neo-Assyrian Empire in the 7th century BC. The reference is to a?lu (sā) a-tar-sa-ma-a-a-in ("the people of Attar of Heaven") who are said to have been defeated together with the Nebayot (Nebaioth/Nabataeans) and the Qedarites led by Yauta ben Birdadda, who was also known as "king of the Arabs".[1]</p>
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<p dir="ltr"><em>(Yauta</em> ben Birdadda — Yauta is constructed just like Yehuda, but with a lack of the West Semetic 'h' and the known interchangeable 't' and 'd'.)</p>
<p dir="ltr">So it is my original opinion that whenever a concept might be unknown to the intended audience in the New Testament, or whenever it is protocol to limit the use of the personal name, that a descriptor is made for it instead, like the bright morning star.</p>
<p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 18pt"><em>Descriptors</em> is how I believe I deciphered The Mandaean Book of John, who they claim to be <strong>John the Baptist</strong></span>.</p>
<p dir="ltr"><b>** you do not have permission to see this link **</b></p>
<p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 14pt"><em> I believe this great book to be a history of the world since the time of written language to John's First Century</em>.</span></p>
<p dir="ltr">Again, I believe the Mandaeans to be cultural reenactors of the world's first written religion, while Jesus' followers followed the modern iteration of it. This would be like Colonial Williamsburg  reenacting the innovations made by the Founding Fathers, while Silicon Valley brings you Gemini Pro for free. This knowledge imo was in cuneiform, which ceases to be produced in the First Century.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Writing was an incredibly precious tool reserved for insulated groups whose trash even shows an immense amount of copies; does anyone really believe that they just kept forgetting history since writing's invention in Sumeria?</p>
<p dir="ltr"> </p>
<p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 18pt"><strong>The cipher</strong></span></p>
<p dir="ltr">I believe <em>The Mandaean Book of John</em> uses the cultural diffusion of the world's first written religion to discuss the <em>sensitive</em> political history of the world in a way that otherwise would have um, very, very strong opinions by competing empires if it wasn't encoded.</p>
<p dir="ltr">To recap — Sumeria, the world's first civilization had an orderly list of gods, the earliest of which puts first the unmanifested father, Anu the Great (think Anush/Enoch) and his manifested son, Enki, the Lord of Life.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Because it is Enki that is given anûtu, his father's authority, I believe that Enki in anútu is what forms the Mandaean <em>descriptor </em>of The Great Life, Hayyi Rabba. The Mandaeans also use simply "The Life,"  Hayyi, without the "Great," as a descriptor that seems attached to a different historical layer.</p>
<p dir="ltr">In Mandaeanism, which again is the religion of John the Baptist's followers, Hayyi 'The Life" is also counted as the "First Life," whose successors are considered the increasingly distorted images of the First Life.</p>
<p dir="ltr"> </p>
<p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 18pt"><strong>FIRST LIFE THROUGH FOURTH LIFE DECODED BY NIMMUO OF CYRENE:</strong></span></p>
<p dir="ltr"> </p>
<p dir="ltr"><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-size: 14pt">FIRST LIFE</span></span></strong></p>
<p dir="ltr">• <strong>Hayyi</strong>, meaning "The Life" in Mandaean.</p>
<p dir="ltr"><strong>• Sumeria</strong> - World's First Civilization c. 3100-2334 BCE</p>
<p dir="ltr">• <strong>Enki</strong>, Lord of Life </p>
<p dir="ltr">Post-Hellenism, in which many Mandaean texts are committed to paper, there is a trend where deities become named as their attributes, ie the Lord of Life can become The Life. (However, I believe I see this naming convention even earlier.)</p>
<p dir="ltr"> </p>
<p dir="ltr"><span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-size: 14pt"><strong>SECOND LIFE</strong></span></span></p>
<p dir="ltr">• <strong>Yushamin </strong>the Emanated One, imo reading as "Ya of Heavens" and if so, "Living [One/God] of Heavens"</p>
<p dir="ltr">• <strong>Akkadian Empire</strong>, World's First Empire, 2334 BCE-</p>
<p dir="ltr">• <strong>Ea, "</strong>The Living One" in anûtu with <strong>Anu</strong> "Sky/Heavens"</p>
<p dir="ltr">Ea is academically recognized as the iteration of Sumerian Enki, and the Eblaite Hayya is now academically recognized as a an iteration of Ea. "Yushamin the Peacock," as he is called in <em><b>** you do not have permission to see this link **</b></em>, seems in my original opinion to simply be Haya's homonym for peacock that is discussed by scholar Mark Weeden:</p>
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<p dir="ltr">For some reason the word for "peacock" is also written using his name (ha‘ia) in an Old Babylonian text (Veldhuis 2004: 251-52).</p>
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<p dir="ltr"><b>** you do not have permission to see this link **</b></p>
<p dir="ltr">Haya (one y) and Hayya (two ys) are considered by many scholars to be the same or iterated deities, and so while it isn't academic consensus, Weeden discusses them both in that paper. </p>
<p dir="ltr">In comparison with Enki, there is a sharp rise in light and celestial characteristics associated with Ea, such as The Way of Ea. And so Ea and Iah/Aah/Yah/Jah, the deity symbolized <em>by</em> but not actually the moon, (similar to Jesus being symbolized <em>by</em> but not actually the cross) share shining, a star field, underworld running water, rebirth, and 'being in Anu' as shared characteristics.</p>
<p dir="ltr">There is no academic dispute that the arrow of cultural diffusion was mostly one-way, Mesopotamia to Egypt. Divine concepts in artwork, basketry and pottery styles appear first in Mesopotamia, and then appear in Egypt.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Wiki for ease:</p>
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<p dir="ltr">Egypt–Mesopotamia relations were the relations between the civilizations of ancient Egypt and Mesopotamia, in the Middle East. They seem to have developed from the 4th millennium BCE, starting in the Uruk period for Mesopotamia (circa 4000–3100 BCE) and the half a millennium younger Gerzean culture of Prehistoric Egypt (circa 3500–3200 BCE), and constituted a largely one way body of influences from Mesopotamia into Egypt.[3][4]</p>
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<p dir="ltr"><span style="text-decoration: underline;font-size: 14pt"><strong>THIRD LIFE</strong></span></p>
<p dir="ltr">• <strong>Abator</strong> — Abator Muzania, meaning Abator of the Scales, judge of souls, come on, y'all! Imo Abator is simply the descriptor "He of Abot", as <b>** you do not have permission to see this link **</b> is Osiris' city name before it is Hellenized.</p>
<p dir="ltr">• <strong>Egyptian Empire </strong>c. 1550-1070 BCE</p>
<p dir="ltr">•<strong>Osiris</strong></p>
<p dir="ltr"> </p>
<p dir="ltr"><span style="text-decoration: underline;font-size: 14pt"><strong>Fourth Life</strong></span></p>
<p dir="ltr">• <strong>Ptahil</strong>, literally "Creator god"</p>
<p dir="ltr">• <strong>Greek Empire c. </strong>776 BCE-30 BCE</p>
<p dir="ltr">• <strong>Serapis </strong></p>
<p dir="ltr">In the Hellenistic period, Serapis functions as the resurrected form of the creator-god Ptah, and eventually syncretizes a whole kitchen sink of Creator gods into a singular "Creator god."</p>
<p dir="ltr">Egypt itself has this clear iteration chain in its syncretization receipts: Osiris-Iah, Ptah-Osiris, Osiris-Apis (Serapis).</p>
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<p dir="ltr">The earliest mention of a "Sarapis" occurs in the disputed death scene of <b>** you do not have permission to see this link **</b> and Ea as <span id="mwYw" title="Akkadian-language romanization"><em>Šar Apsi</em></span> seems to be the deity intended in the description of Alexander's death.</p>
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<p dir="ltr">Wiki for ease: <b>** you do not have permission to see this link **</b></p>
<p dir="ltr"><em>yawn</em> Sarapis and Ea unconnected? Alexander Zeus-Ammon spent his final days in Babylon receiving the ritual ministrations of Ea’s own priests. This is during the ascent of the Sumero-Akkadian Revival, so a Sumerian-style pun that unites all the Creator Gods is elite tier.</p>
<p dir="ltr"><span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-size: 14pt"><strong>Fourth Life's Son</strong></span></span></p>
<p dir="ltr">• <strong>Yukashar, </strong>literally "Source of Radiance." Julius Caesar was the inspiration for the Radiate Crown because he was believed to ascend into a star—the <em>Sidus Iulium</em> comet—that was called radiant. Imo this also reads "Ya of Caesar," and thus, "Living Caesar."</p>
<p dir="ltr"><strong>Roman Empire </strong>27 BCE-</p>
<p dir="ltr">• <strong>Caesar</strong></p>
<p dir="ltr">Caesar, of course, is the only Roman Emperor to receive the Living God title, immortalized in the <b>** you do not have permission to see this link **</b></p>
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<p dir="ltr">​<strong>Θεὸς Ἐπιφανής </strong></p>
<p dir="ltr"><strong>Theos Epiphanes</strong></p>
<p dir="ltr">Manifest/Living God</p>
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<p dir="ltr">In Right-Ginza 4, Yukashar is named as Yukashar-kana, kana meaning "place." I read this as Caesar of [Place], since each region under him swapped this part out in his title inscriptions.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Ephesus' full <b>** you do not have permission to see this link **</b>brings up divine lineage and being a savior of humankind pretty similarly to someone we know:</p>
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<p dir="ltr">The cities and peoples and tribes in Asia honour Gaius Julius Caesar, son of Gaius, the high priest and imperator and consul for a second time, the manifest god descended from Ares and Aphrodite, and the common saviour of humankind</p>
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<p dir="ltr"><span style="background-color: inherit;font-family: inherit;letter-spacing: 0px">Is it a coincidence that the appearance of religions track with the revivals of living deification in the Ancient Near East, like with Hammurabi, Caesar, Gaius Julius, and the Aksumites?</span></p>
<p dir="ltr">​I believe my hypothesis neatly explains why Yushamin places his children in orbit, because Mesopotamian deities are uniquely astral, like Ea:</p>
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<p dir="ltr">They brought Yushamen, set him on Earth,<br />
and said to him,<br />
“Give us your children, so they may orbit Earth — Mandaean <em>Book of John</em></p>
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<p dir="ltr">And why Abator of the Scales weighs souls brought by a ferry to a netherworld gate, like Osiris:</p>
<blockquote>
<p dir="ltr">a ferry of souls carrying them, over to Abator’s house — Mandaean <em>Book of John</em></p>
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<p dir="ltr">...about Abator. He came, cast him down from his throne,<span style="background-color: inherit"> set him at the Nether Gate, and said to him, "</span><span style="background-color: inherit">Go, and be the judge... — Mandaean <em>Book of John</em></span></p>
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<p dir="ltr">He set up the throne for Abator, and placed the scales before him, so that he might weigh the souls of the dead to see if they are pure enough to return to the World of Light — Mandaean <em>Scroll of Abator</em></p>
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<p dir="ltr">And why Ptahil acts with the might of a large animal pounding in the columns, evoking the Serapeum <b>** you do not have permission to see this link **</b>, like Serapis:</p>
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<p dir="ltr">Ptahil pounded in the columns — Mandaean <em>Book of John</em></p>
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<p dir="ltr">And why Yukashar is a king of a great palace who weaves a crown, ie wreath, like Caesar:</p>
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<p dir="ltr">Hibel called forth with Life’s voice, and brought light to the great palace.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Yukashar achieved success with it, and wove the crown from start to finish. — Mandaean <em>Book of John</em></p>
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<p dir="ltr">Once you understand that the First Life, Second Life, Third Life, Fourth Life, and Fourth Life's son depict the cultural diffusion of tutelary deities across Empires, the Mandaean texts seem to describe an almost six millennium saga (timeline matching the Septuagint) just as exciting as Star Wars. A saga of millenniums a long time ago, and far away, such as that it would take a Millennium Falcon to travel it.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Dr. McGrath, I hope your ears are burning!</p>
<p dir="ltr">- Nimmuo of Cyrene the Wish-Was-Rich writing to you from above the cave springs of my birth, copyright 2026</p>
<p dir="ltr">Dedicated to Gamaliel and my sherpa</p>
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brown.connor4 said<br />
And now forgive me for my next comment: when you say<br />
And the Roman-installed local aristocratic sunedrion in Jerusalem, which was specifically tasked over its 80+-year history with replacing, limiting, or reporting any exercise or claim to royal authority would have found and dutifully punished or turned over to Pilate (at the time of Passover when he was present in the city) for punishment.<br />
You only expose yourself as an amateur. Anyone who knows the relevant history and languages will say about your comment, "this person has never even read Josephus, let alone in greek, and is getting all his/her information from online, probably from wikipedia."</p>
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<p>Please, no apology necessary. You're absolutely right, I am not at all a professional historian, and have never claimed to be one, but my view of the role of the system of the sunedria, as first imposed by Gabinius and as it seems to have continued to function after it's (partial?) dissolution by Julius Caesar and its continued role under later rulers is based almost entirely on my reading of Josephus. Thus I've endeavored to at least or at best to understand the sunedria as Josephus did. And it's also true that I typically read Josephus in translation, but I do like to refer to the Greek when that seems important or merely interesting. This I did some 12 years ago when I was reading through all of Josephus' various uses of the term συνέδριον.</p>
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Now, I do not wish to disparage amateurs from engaging topics here.  But i have noticed a rampant, almost pestilent disregard for "authority" on forums such as this one.  It is almost as if "anyone's 'thought' is as good as anyone's." <br />
It is not true.  A good response should be a) logical and b) BACKED UP.<br />
that is how history works.   </p>
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<p>Perhaps in your role as a professional historian (and even an authority of some kind?) you can correct my view or those of Josephus on how the various kinds of sunedria functioned over time?<br />
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<p>What I will expose is this....I am a jackass who sometimes writes aggressively when I should be going to sleep.  I should probably look into why posts in a free debate get me so irrationally angry.  I think that I get frustrated with Dr. Ehrman's books and lash out here.  </p>
<p>I am embarrassed by my post.  I apologize. </p>
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<p><strong>Stephen said </strong><br />
I think at any kind of disturbance in the Temple during Passover, Jesus would have been arrested outright.  Consequently the events recorded in the gospels between the Temple incident and the crucifixion, the trials and Judas' betrayal, are probably not historical.     <br />
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<p>I think your assessment lacks historical imagination.  "Arrested Outright"?  There are hundreds of thousands of people in Jerusalem.  You seem to have an image of the historical scene borrowed from older popular movies where there are a couple hundred people on the stage with Jesus.  This is poor historical imagination.  The historian must reconstruct, imaginatively, plausible scenes.  That means crowds upon crowds.  That means Jewish authorities who are not sitting around idly waiting for some incident.  They had jobs to do.  It is the Passover.  Hundreds of thousands of people coming to the temple to have a lamb slaughtered.  Even when a disturbance should arise as the one Jesus created, they weren't waiting for it.  They had a hundred other concerns during this time.  So there is no way they would have been prepared to simply arrest Jesus on site.  That is not even how modern arrests operate.  Arrests take time, even today with our technology.  </p>
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<p>It is strange and even alarming to me how little historical imagination historians exercise.  A world of nonsense would be expunged if we would all just close our eyes and imagine a plausible scene.</p>
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... It also isn't held where he'd be broadly recognized, he basically does his preaching in Galilee-Peraea and Samaria (Herod Antipas' tetrarchy). <br />
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<p>To be fair, if he had an angel cut his hair in the Roman style and shave his beard, to be able to walk around without being recaptured, that might do it.</p>
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