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                    <title>BJH1960 on Jesus Was Not a Jew</title>
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<strong>Helen said:</strong></p>
<p>In the Gospels, Jesus is reported to have gone to the synagogues a lot, and that it was his “custom”.</p>
<p>He talked and preached primarily to the Jewish people during his earthly ministry.</p>
<p>He seems to know good portions of the Jewish law and the Torah.</p>
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<p>That he was Jewish is so obvious one would be dumbstruck in reading the outlandish claim that he wasn't if one weren't aware of why it is being made.</p>
<p>What I find interesting is not the claim, which no serious scholar entertains, but whether there are any who make it who aren't antisemitic, excepting dansanta2003, of course, who assures us, despite his rabid ranting and raving, he is not.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2026 20:07:25 -0400</pubDate>
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                    <title>Helen Young on Jesus Was Not a Jew</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, thanks for posting that Stephen. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2026 18:18:14 -0400</pubDate>
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                    <title>Judith on Jesus Was Not a Jew</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Stephen, all my Bible studies and reading and church have never brought me to that saying. Thank you.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2026 18:11:21 -0400</pubDate>
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                    <title>Stephen on Jesus Was Not a Jew</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p><em>His disciples said to him: "On what day will the kingdom come?" "It will not come when it is expected. No one will say: 'See, it is here!' or: 'Look, it is there!' but the Kingdom of the Father is spread over the earth and men do not see it.</em>"</p>
<p>- Gospel of Thomas Saying 113</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2026 18:04:45 -0400</pubDate>
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                    <title>Helen Young on Jesus Was Not a Jew</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I posted this over on the Blog earlier today. I thought it might pertain:</p>
<p>Fundamentalists don’t believe in God &#038; JC directly. Their relationship to Them is:<br />
Person &#062; Bible &#062; God &#038; JC<br />
Catholics tend to be more like:<br />
Person &#062; Priesthood &#062; God &#038; JC<br />
Congregationalists tend to rely on the congregational consensus:<br />
Person &#062; Congregation &#062; God &#038; JC<br />
Individualists have a more direct relationship with nothing between themselves and God &#038; JC:<br />
Person &#062; God &#038; JC</p>
<p>We have four different relational setups working here:<br />
Person &#062; Bible &#062; God &#038; JC<br />
Person &#062; Priesthood &#062; God &#038; JC<br />
Person &#062; Congregation &#062; God &#038; JC<br />
Person &#062; God &#038; JC</p>
<p>All four of these setups can be right, and all four can be wrong. They can also all be right together and wrong together as well.</p>
<p>It seems like the best we can do is put the truth first and seek it diligently. Seek the truth whether we win, lose, or break even. Either way, we will win, because we will have the truth.</p>
<p>I can’t believe that God and the Truth are two separate things, even if some ideas from the bible, the priesthood, the congregation, or individuals are wrong or just misplaced.</p>
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<p>People can't see it on the Blog yet because the comment is still waiting for moderation. I'm not saying that I know or that this covers everything. I'm just putting ideas out there for people to look at and think about and that might help in making sense of things.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2026 17:59:28 -0400</pubDate>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Or maybe Christians are too fundamentalistic, and that is the problem?</p>
<p>Or at least a big and real part of it.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2026 17:51:43 -0400</pubDate>
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                    <title>Judith on Jesus Was Not a Jew</title>
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                    <category>The Historical Jesus</category>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>For those of us who are believers, we are already in a different place, so to speak. What is concerning is the two point three/four billion Christians in this world of eight billion people. It should be a different world! Salt that has lost its savor?(Matthew 5:13)</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2026 17:41:08 -0400</pubDate>
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                    <title>Helen Young on Jesus Was Not a Jew</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes I feel like I can see parts of the KoH in different people. But I definitely don't see the whole thing.</p>
<p>Perhaps part of it is my own perception, and parts of it is where different people are at.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2026 17:39:36 -0400</pubDate>
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                    <title>Helen Young on Jesus Was Not a Jew</title>
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<p><strong>Judith said </strong><br />
I've thought of what you just wrote, Helen Young. Could there be yet another dimension here on earth that humans have no ability to be aware of. <br />
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<p>That's a possibility.</p>
<p>Another possibility is that there are people living and scattered among us who are, in some sense, in the Kingdom of Heaven. Perhaps they are in another dimension psychologically or spiritually, and we just don't see it.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2026 17:31:11 -0400</pubDate>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I've thought of what you just wrote, Helen Young. Could there be yet another dimension here on earth that humans have no ability to be aware of. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2026 17:15:16 -0400</pubDate>
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                    <title>Helen Young on Jesus Was Not a Jew</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Both the Gospel of Luke and the noncanonical Gospel of Thomas state that the Kingdom of Heaven is within us, that it comes in a way that cannot be seen, and that it is scattered among us and people do not see it.</p>
<p>Perhaps the Kingdom of Heaven has manifested and is manifesting, and we just don't see it or realize it.</p>
<p>Perhaps things are happening that we are just not aware of.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2026 16:51:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                    <title>DavidFord on Jesus Was Not a Jew</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>"use to defame Jesus and to present him as a failed apocalyptic prophet. Absolutely nowhere Jesus predicts that it will happen in his lifetime"<br />
Did C.S. Lewis "defame Jesus and... present him as a failed... prophet"?</p>
<p><b>** you do not have permission to see this link **</b><br />
C.S. Lewis explicitly addressed this issue and treated Jesus’s statement in the Olivet Discourse (“this generation will not pass away until all these things take place,” Mark 13:30 / Matthew 24:34) as an apparent error regarding the timing of his return.</p>
<p>In his 1952 essay “The World’s Last Night” (later collected in the volume of the same name), Lewis confronts the skeptical argument head-on:</p>
<p>&#062; “Say what you like,” we shall be told, “the apocalyptic beliefs of the first Christians have been proved to be false.<br />
It is clear from the New Testament that they all expected the Second Coming in their own lifetime.<br />
And, worse still, they had a reason, and one which you will find very embarrassing.<br />
Their Master had told them so.<br />
He shared, and indeed created, their delusion.<br />
He said in so many words,<br />
‘this generation shall not pass till all these things be done.’<br />
And he was wrong.<br />
He clearly knew no more about the end of the world than anyone else.”</p>
<p>Lewis continues:<br />
“It is certainly the most embarrassing verse in the Bible.”</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2026 16:19:20 -0400</pubDate>
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                    <category>The Historical Jesus</category>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>In the Gospels, Jesus is reported to have gone to the synagogues a lot, and that it was his "custom".</p>
<p>He talked and preached primarily to the Jewish people during his earthly ministry.</p>
<p>He seems to know good portions of the Jewish law and the Torah.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2026 15:56:15 -0400</pubDate>
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                    <category>The Historical Jesus</category>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<div>"don’t seem to have any issues presenting two very strong contradictory statements:</div>
<div>a) that Jesus was a failed prophet who said he will be crowned a king during those people’s lifetimes and</div>
<div>b) the gospels that are saying that are written <strong>after</strong> all those people died.</div>
<div>Wouldn’t you find this peculiar? I certainly find so. Someone is lying intentionally"</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Some people haven't thought things through, and end up making contradictory statements unintentionally.</div>
<div>What are the exact words of somebody making both claims a) and b)?</div>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2026 15:56:06 -0400</pubDate>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>"Jesus Was Not a Jew"</p>
<p>What makes somebody qualify as being a Jew?</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2026 14:14:38 -0400</pubDate>
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