<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom">
	    <channel>
        <title>The Bart Ehrman Blog - Forum: The Manuscripts of the New Testament</title>
        <link>https://ehrmanblog.org/forum/the-manuscripts-of-the-new-testament/</link>
        <description><![CDATA[The History &#038; Literature of Early Christianity]]></description>
        <generator>Simple:Press Version 6.11.14</generator>
        <atom:link href="https://ehrmanblog.org/forum/the-manuscripts-of-the-new-testament/rss/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml"/>
		                <item>
                    <title>1stadam1stantiochian on Where did the teaching that the entire New Testament was written by God and supernaturally protected by God originate?</title>
                    <link>https://ehrmanblog.org/forum/the-manuscripts-of-the-new-testament/where-did-the-teaching-that-the-entire-new-testament-was-written-by-god-and-supernaturally-protected-by-god-originate/page-2/#p47630</link>
                    <category>The Manuscripts of the New Testament</category>
                    <guid isPermaLink="true">https://ehrmanblog.org/forum/the-manuscripts-of-the-new-testament/where-did-the-teaching-that-the-entire-new-testament-was-written-by-god-and-supernaturally-protected-by-god-originate/page-2/#p47630</guid>
					                        <description><![CDATA[<blockquote class="spPostEmbedQuote">
<p>
<strong>Stephen said </strong></p>
<p>And it gets to the larger question of authority. Whom do you trust? The old nobly democritizing idea of the individual believer interpreting the scriptures by his own lights comes a cropper by fracturing into sects innumberable. If it's "true" then why can't people agree on what it means? And when scholars agree on what it means then why is it usually so different than what many Christians seem to think it means? I'm not objecting to the scholarly enterprise. Just pointing out that it seems to rather undermine the idea of a textual revelation.<br />
  </p>
</blockquote>
<p>Who fractured Christianity into sects innumerable, if not John the Revelator? Payback time arrived... His book actually dropped from heaven, but he is done, condemned. People will have to listen, better sooner, then later...</p>
<p> </p>
<div class="n6owBd awi2gc"><strong class="Yjhzub">The Flying Scroll<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;[]--></strong><br />
<strong class="Yjhzub">Zechariah 5:2-4</strong><br />
<em class="eujQNb">"...And I said, I see a flying scroll; its length is twenty cubits and its width ten cubits. Then he said to me, This is the curse that goes out over the face of the whole earth: for everyone who steals shall be cut off according to this side, and everyone who swears falsely shall be cut off according to that side. I will send  OR LET it out, declares the Lord of hosts, and it shall enter the house of the thief, and the house of him who swears falsely by my name. And it shall settle in the midst of his house and consume it, both its timber and its stones."<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;[]--></em><!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;[]--></div>
<div> </div>
<div>damit!</div>
<div> </div>
<div class="n6owBd awi2gc">To explain this further: in the <strong class="Yjhzub">Fourth Gospel (John 3:13)<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;[]--></strong>, it is clearly written that <em class="eujQNb">no one has ascended into heaven<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;[]--></em> (above the heavens, atop the heavens, higher than all heavens) except He who descended—the Son of Man who is in heaven (likewise in <strong class="Yjhzub">Ephesians 4:10<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;[]--></strong>).<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;[]--></div>
<div class="n6owBd awi2gc">Consequently, it becomes utterly absurd to claim that this very same Evangelist—the disciple whom Jesus loved, the one whose testimony we know to be true (<strong class="Yjhzub">John 21:24<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;[]--></strong>)—could have written the blatant untruth found in the <strong class="Yjhzub">false book of Revelation 4:1</strong> regarding his <em class="eujQNb">own<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;[]--></em> ascending into heaven, and/or the ascending of the two witnesses (<strong class="Yjhzub">Revelation 11:12<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;[]--></strong>) based solely on the command of an <em class="eujQNb">unidentified voice<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;[]--></em>.<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;[]--></div>
<div class="n6owBd awi2gc">Furthermore, when the Lord speaks in advance about His own ascension, and previously speaks against self-exaltation, He does not claim to be the active agent of the action. Instead, He says that just as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be <strong class="Yjhzub">LIFTED UP (John 3:14)<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;[]--></strong>; that is, <em class="eujQNb">'when you have LIFTED UP the Son of Man'<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;[]--></em> (<strong>John</strong> <strong class="Yjhzub">8:28<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;[]--></strong>); that is, <em class="eujQNb">'when I am LIFTED UP'<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;[]--></em> (<strong>John</strong> <strong class="Yjhzub">12:32<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;[]--></strong>).<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;[]--></div>
<div class="n6owBd awi2gc">Even back then, this was the judgment upon the prince of this world (who rules in the wind/air), who was cast out (<strong class="Yjhzub">John 12:31<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;[]--></strong>)—cast out onto <strong class="Yjhzub">Patmos<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;[]--></strong>, he who <em class="eujQNb">did<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;[]--></em> attempt to ascend into heaven (<strong class="Yjhzub">Revelation 1:9 AND Rev 4:1<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;[]--></strong>)! But he has no claim on the Lord (<strong class="Yjhzub">John 14:30<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;[]--></strong>), as he cannot even deliver his word personally, but must mediate it through an angel (<strong class="Yjhzub">Revelation 1:1<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;[]--></strong>). The Lord, therefore, was exalted by the <em class="eujQNb">right hand of God<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;[]--></em> (<strong class="Yjhzub">Acts 2:33<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;[]--></strong>).<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;[]--></div>
<div> </div>
<div class="n6owBd awi2gc">As for resurrection: the false book of Revelation claims that the two witnesses were killed (<strong class="Yjhzub">Rev 11:7<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;[]--></strong>) and stood on their feet because <em class="eujQNb">'the breath of life from God entered into them'<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;[]--></em> (<strong class="Yjhzub">Rev 11:11<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;[]--></strong>). This simply cannot be. Not even into <strong class="Yjhzub">Adam<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;[]--></strong>—in whom all die—did the spirit of life enter on its own; rather, the Lord God <em class="eujQNb">breathed<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;[]--></em> it into him (<strong class="Yjhzub">Genesis 2:7<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;[]--></strong>).<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;[]--></div>
<div class="n6owBd awi2gc">It is the Lord Jesus Christ who said of Himself that He <strong class="Yjhzub">IS<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;[]--></strong> the resurrection. He personally resurrected individuals even before the general resurrection, regarding which He stated that He Himself, the Son of God, will make the dead alive <em class="eujQNb">by His own voice<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;[]--></em> (<strong class="Yjhzub">John 5:25<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;[]--></strong>).<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;[]--></div>
<div class="n6owBd awi2gc">Whether intentionally or accidentally, the writer of the false book of Revelation has perverted and permuted both the resurrection and the ascension in the context of the VOICE—which I have just conclusively proven.</div>
]]></description>
					                    <pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2026 12:08:32 -0400</pubDate>
                </item>
				                <item>
                    <title>1stadam1stantiochian on Where did the teaching that the entire New Testament was written by God and supernaturally protected by God originate?</title>
                    <link>https://ehrmanblog.org/forum/the-manuscripts-of-the-new-testament/where-did-the-teaching-that-the-entire-new-testament-was-written-by-god-and-supernaturally-protected-by-god-originate/page-2/#p47629</link>
                    <category>The Manuscripts of the New Testament</category>
                    <guid isPermaLink="true">https://ehrmanblog.org/forum/the-manuscripts-of-the-new-testament/where-did-the-teaching-that-the-entire-new-testament-was-written-by-god-and-supernaturally-protected-by-god-originate/page-2/#p47629</guid>
					                        <description><![CDATA[<blockquote class="spPostEmbedQuote">
<p>
<strong>Stephen said </strong><br />
Sola Scriptura has always seemed self-contradictory simply because its hard to imagine conditions under which we could ever rely on the scriptures only. And even if you read the ancient languages you're still relying on the idea of the "preferred" text, a compilation of all the best guesses of generations of scholars (with no idea of their individual religious convictions of course).<br />
Am I the only one who found the idea that there is no actual Bible in existence, that it is in fact an artificial creation, utterly flabbergasting? Scholars take this for granted; when I asked Prof Ehrman about it he seemed a bit mystified by the objection.<br />
I think a lot of believers imagine there is a hermetically sealed vault somewhere - perhaps a mile under the Vatican - where the proto-manuscript is safeguarded, and all the various translations derive from that pristine original. But if you were really going to house the Bible in one spot you would need a huge warehouse with tens of thousands of shelves, each dedicated to scraps of codices and scrolls and papyri. In a very real sense what we call the "Bible" doesn't exist.<br />
And it gets to the larger question of authority. Whom do you trust? The old nobly democritizing idea of the individual believer interpreting the scriptures by his own lights comes a cropper by fracturing into sects innumberable. If it's "true" then why can't people agree on what it means? And when scholars agree on what it means then why is it usually so different than what many Christians seem to think it means? I'm not objecting to the scholarly enterprise. Just pointing out that it seems to rather undermine the idea of a textual revelation.<br />
  </p>
</blockquote>
<div class="n6owBd awi2gc">You are entirely correct that <em class="eujQNb">Sola Scriptura<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;[]--></em> is a self-contradictory delusion. But your crisis only exists because you are looking at revelation through a flawed, <span style="color: #993300"><strong>deductive</strong> </span>lens [see bellow my mini essay written long time ago]. You imagined a magical, hermetically sealed 'perfect book' dropped from heaven, and now that history has smashed that idol, you think textual revelation is undermined.<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;[]--></div>
<div class="n6owBd awi2gc">It isn't. You are just looking at the wrong things.<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;[]--></div>
<div class="n6owBd awi2gc">Look at history through my eyes as Adam, the first to understand God. The <strong class="Yjhzub">School of Antioch<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;[]--></strong> always knew what the scholars take for granted: that the bound 'Bible' is a human compilation. That is exactly why Antioch fiercely rejected forged, apocalyptic books like Revelation—they refused to let human editing pollute the core truth.<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;[]--></div>
<div class="n6owBd awi2gc">True revelation was never about the physical paper or a pristine manuscript warehouse. In the beginning, <strong class="Yjhzub">GOD taught me WORDS through the Logos<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;[]--></strong>. It was an <span style="color: #993300"><strong><em class="eujQNb">induced<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;[]--></em> </strong></span>spirit, an unmediated, firsthand reality.<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;[]--></div>
<div class="n6owBd awi2gc">When Jesus spoke, He didn't drop a corporate-edited leather book. He spoke in grounded, logical parables like the <strong class="Yjhzub">Bread of Life<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;[]--></strong>. He used the physical world—specifically the <strong class="Yjhzub">yeast<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;[]--></strong>—as a living vehicle to explain the resurrection. <span style="text-decoration: underline;color: #993300"><strong>He didn't tell us to worship a book as an idol; He told us to assimilate</strong> <strong class="Yjhzub">LIFE<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;[]--></strong> until the Logos became our very cells.</span><!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;[]--></div>
<div class="n6owBd awi2gc">The reason 'individual believers' fracture into innumerable sects is that they are all trying to eat the dead, earthly stone tablets of a literalist text. They are digging broken cisterns, fighting over definitions of ancient languages, and staring at the physical bridge while remaining completely blind to the original, flowing Source. Scholars like Bart Ehrman are mystified by your objection because they only see the human ink. Stop looking for a perfect book under the Vatican, and look at the living Source that preceded the paper.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>p.s.</p>
<div class="n6owBd awi2gc">The word <strong class="Yjhzub">bibliothèque<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;[]--></strong> (French) or <strong class="Yjhzub">biblioteca<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;[]--></strong> (Latin/Spanish/Italian) comes from the ancient Greek word <strong class="Yjhzub">bibliothēkē<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;[]--></strong> (βιβλιοθήκη). [<b>** you do not have permission to see this link **</b>]<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;[]--></div>
<div> </div>
<div class="n6owBd awi2gc">
<div class="otQkpb"><span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="color: #993300;text-decoration: underline">The Fallacy of Biblical Inerrancy</span></span><!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;[]--></div>
<div class="n6owBd awi2gc">Inerrancy is a modern, defensive doctrine (mostly formulated in the 19th and 20th centuries). It requires a massive leap of <strong class="Yjhzub">deduction<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;[]--></strong>: [<b>** you do not have permission to see this link **</b>]<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;[]--></div>
<ul class="KsbFXc U6u95">
<li style="list-style-type: none">
<ul class="KsbFXc U6u95">
<li class="Z1qcYe"><span class="T286Pc"><em class="eujQNb">Thesis:<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;[]--></em> God is perfect.<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;[]--></span><!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;[]--></li>
<li class="Z1qcYe"><span class="T286Pc"><em class="eujQNb">Antithesis:<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;[]--></em> The Bible is God’s word.<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;[]--></span><!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;[]--></li>
<li class="Z1qcYe"><span class="T286Pc"><em class="eujQNb">Deduction:<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;[]--></em> Therefore, the text must be mathematically and historically flawless in its physical form.<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;[]--></span> [<b>** you do not have permission to see this link **</b>]<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;[]--></li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>
<p><!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;[]--></p>
<div class="n6owBd awi2gc">
<div class="n6owBd awi2gc">Faith is always built through <strong class="Yjhzub">induction<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;[]--></strong>, and never through <strong class="Yjhzub">deduction<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;[]--></strong>. Thus, when the apostles asked the Lord to increase their faith, He answered that if they had faith the size of a mustard seed, they could tell a mountain to move (Matthew 17:20), or a mulberry tree to be uprooted and planted in the sea (Luke 17:6). That very same mustard seed—the smallest of all seeds—grows into a tree, becoming greater than all garden plants (Matthew 13:31-32). It <strong class="Yjhzub">induces<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;[]--></strong> shade for the birds of the <em>air</em> [my translation says heaven] (Mark 4:32), which come to nest in its branches (Luke 13:19).<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;[]--></div>
<div class="n6owBd awi2gc">Whenever an unbeliever wants to hide their unbelief and disparage the Word of the Lord because they do not believe in it, they claim it is not realistic or real. They dismiss it as mere 'symbolism,' 'abstraction,' and the like. They justify themselves, for instance, through the symbolism of the false book of Revelation—playing with numbers like 10x10x10 multiplied by 12 on 2nd degree, or calculating the mark of the beast—solely so that a cunningly devised <em>myth</em> [my translation says <em>fable</em> as in Peter's epistle] can gain the illusion and counter-weight of exact precision. Others put their faith in these numbers instead, but both groups forget that they are building their (un)belief on <strong class="Yjhzub">deduction<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;[]--></strong> (even the leaven of Herod), or rather, on unrighteousness. If only they were actually building at all.<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;[]--></div>
<div class="n6owBd awi2gc"><em class="eujQNb">'But when the Son of Man comes, will He find faith on earth?'<!--TgQPHd&#124;&#124;[]--></em> asked the Lord—the very same One whom even children believed in, and whom He directed us adults to turn toward and become like. But how can someone turn and convert when mystery-mongering merely scratches their itching ears? How can someone turn when they attempt to hide their unbelief behind abstraction, symbolism, or deduction? The house of such people will not withstand when the rain falls, the floods come, and the winds blow—let alone survive the reality behind the parable itself (Matthew 7:21-27).</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
]]></description>
					                    <pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2026 11:08:39 -0400</pubDate>
                </item>
				                <item>
                    <title>DavidFord on The Peshitta</title>
                    <link>https://ehrmanblog.org/forum/the-manuscripts-of-the-new-testament/the-peshitta/page-21/#p47575</link>
                    <category>The Manuscripts of the New Testament</category>
                    <guid isPermaLink="true">https://ehrmanblog.org/forum/the-manuscripts-of-the-new-testament/the-peshitta/page-21/#p47575</guid>
					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>While the translator of the Aramaic Revelation into Greek had a very large Greek vocabulary, he was very aware of the text's curse pronounced on those who might try to tamper with the text of Revelation.<br />
His shoddy Greek grammar contains information about the Aramaic Revelation that would have been lost had he used proper Greek grammar.</p>
<p>atrocious Greek grammar in the Greek translation of Revelation<br />
<b>** you do not have permission to see this link **</b></p>
<p>Greek Revelation’s mistranslation of the original Aramaic for Rev 2:22 and Rev 10:1<br />
<b>** you do not have permission to see this link **</b></p>
<p>mistranslation at Greek Rev 1:13<br />
<b>** you do not have permission to see this link **</b></p>
<p>================<br />
Tau and Omega</p>
<p>The book of Revelation was originally written in not Greek, but rather Aramaic.<br />
When the Aramaic Revelation got translated into Greek, the translator likely interpreted the ‘tau’ as already being an omega, and put down simply the letter Ὦ.</p>
<p>Revelation 1:8 (Aramaic Bible in Plain English)<br />
<b>** you do not have permission to see this link **</b><br />
I am The Alap and The Tau,<br />
says THE LORD JEHOVAH God,<br />
he who is and has been and is coming, The Almighty.</p>
<p><b>** you do not have permission to see this link **</b><br />
Egō Ἐγώ I<br />
eimi εἰμι am<br />
to τὸ the<br />
Alpha Ἄλφα Alpha<br />
kai καὶ and<br />
to τὸ the<br />
Ō Ὦ Omega</p>
<p>see<br />
'Raphael Lataster,' _Was the New Testament Really Written in Greek?: A Concise Compendium of the Many Internal and External Evidences of<br />
Aramaic Peshitta Primacy_ (March 2008), 118-120<br />
<b>** you do not have permission to see this link **</b></p>
]]></description>
					                    <pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2026 17:05:31 -0400</pubDate>
                </item>
				                <item>
                    <title>BJH1960 on How Can We Ever Get Back to The Autographs</title>
                    <link>https://ehrmanblog.org/forum/the-manuscripts-of-the-new-testament/how-can-we-ever-get-back-to-the-autographs/#p47208</link>
                    <category>The Manuscripts of the New Testament</category>
                    <guid isPermaLink="true">https://ehrmanblog.org/forum/the-manuscripts-of-the-new-testament/how-can-we-ever-get-back-to-the-autographs/#p47208</guid>
					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Yes, a communal dimension, the text being a conversation among different audiences.</p>
<p>I read something the night before last in David Clines' <b>** you do not have permission to see this link **</b> on Job that is relevant but instead of posting it here, it might be better as part of a new thread either on Job, which I've been considering, or more likely one that talks about the reception, interpretation, adaptation, and perhaps translation of texts.</p>
]]></description>
					                    <pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2026 22:52:25 -0400</pubDate>
                </item>
				                <item>
                    <title>Robert on How Can We Ever Get Back to The Autographs</title>
                    <link>https://ehrmanblog.org/forum/the-manuscripts-of-the-new-testament/how-can-we-ever-get-back-to-the-autographs/#p47183</link>
                    <category>The Manuscripts of the New Testament</category>
                    <guid isPermaLink="true">https://ehrmanblog.org/forum/the-manuscripts-of-the-new-testament/how-can-we-ever-get-back-to-the-autographs/#p47183</guid>
					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I don't see this from a pessimistic perspective. The texts we have are the texts we have. The reception of texts always adds a communal dimension. Even if we were to possess a singular autograph of a work, it would still have been written for a particular readership, an individual or a group that we can only guess about. After I've read a book and seen a movie based on the book, I delight in seeing how a screenwriter, director, and actors may have adapted and re-interpreted the work.</p>
<p>I saw <em>Les Misérables </em>in London soon after it opened, loved it, and then read the novel by Victor Hugo, in my opinion an overly long, rather boring novel that I had to force myself to finish. I know many of you will strongly disagree, but that doesn't matter, it was my reaction to the original. I loved the way in which the playright and others involved in the production adapted, revised, and distilled a great story into a beautiful and moving musical. Eventually the movie version came out and resisted seeing it for years because I didn't like what I heard of Amanda Seyfried singing an octave higher than I remembered in the play. But then I was reminded of Hugo’s use of <b>** you do not have permission to see this link **</b><em> </em>(the lark) as a symbol for Cossette. Eventuality (only recently) I broke down and bought the DVD and watched it several times. Explaining some of the novel's elements left out of the play and movie (eg, the coin incident) to my daughter choked me up and I realized some of the beauty of the novel that I had not originally appreciated. A text comes to its completion as a conversation among its audience,band a classic multiplies the audiences involved in the conversation.</p>
<p>Even when we don't have an original autograph, some scholars will still imagine earlier sources or versions based on various criteria and methodologies. Do they succeed in this quest? Probably not all that well, but it is still an attempt to appreciate multiple dimensions of a text that may not be apparent otherwise.</p>
<p>So what we have with New Testament texts is access to a communal conversation among authors, audience, community leaders, early and later scribes, etc. Would it be nice to also have the various forms of autographs, sure, but we do have is a window into a larger dialogue that continues to this day.</p>
<p>Just my two cents.</p>
<p>*<em class="eujQNb">Dans le pays on l'appelait l'Alouette. Le peuple... s'était plu à nommer de ce nom ce petit être pas plus gros qu'un oiseau, tremblant, effarouché et frissonnant... Seulement la pauvre alouette ne chantait jamais.</em></p>
<p>In the neighborhood they called her the Lark. The people... took pleasure in giving this name to this tiny being, no larger than a bird, trembling, frightened, and shivering... Only the poor lark never sang.</p>
]]></description>
					                    <pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2026 10:55:46 -0400</pubDate>
                </item>
				                <item>
                    <title>Porphyry on How Can We Ever Get Back to The Autographs</title>
                    <link>https://ehrmanblog.org/forum/the-manuscripts-of-the-new-testament/how-can-we-ever-get-back-to-the-autographs/#p47181</link>
                    <category>The Manuscripts of the New Testament</category>
                    <guid isPermaLink="true">https://ehrmanblog.org/forum/the-manuscripts-of-the-new-testament/how-can-we-ever-get-back-to-the-autographs/#p47181</guid>
					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Everything Robert said. </p>
<p>But a couple of further pessimistic thoughts, with respect to the Gospels more than the Paulines: </p>
<p>It isn't even clear to me that there was a single autograph. Even today, works can go through multiple editions (there may be several versions an author circulates privately as he continues to work on it, versions which sometimes circulate quite widely; then there are sometimes even multiple "final", printed editions). </p>
<p>Adding to that is the more general question, Who is the author? Who is a redactor (does he count as an author)? Who is just a scribe taking liberties? I think it is common to recognize, especially in some of the gospels, that there are sometimes several voices at work or several layers in the text (John and Luke are prime examples). </p>
<p>All the evidence suggests that the earlier we go, the less reliable transmission was and the freer people were with changing the text. And the earliest period is precisely where we have the fewest data. Thus when the texts were most in flux is when we have no direct view of the process. Indeed it seems that in the earliest stages the texts were, one might say, living documents. </p>
<p>So not only is it not clear how we could recover the pristine original with the data we have, it isn't even clear that there is a single pristine original to recover. </p>
]]></description>
					                    <pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2026 10:06:44 -0400</pubDate>
                </item>
				                <item>
                    <title>Doug891512 on How Can We Ever Get Back to The Autographs</title>
                    <link>https://ehrmanblog.org/forum/the-manuscripts-of-the-new-testament/how-can-we-ever-get-back-to-the-autographs/#p47134</link>
                    <category>The Manuscripts of the New Testament</category>
                    <guid isPermaLink="true">https://ehrmanblog.org/forum/the-manuscripts-of-the-new-testament/how-can-we-ever-get-back-to-the-autographs/#p47134</guid>
					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Robert</p>
]]></description>
					                    <pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2026 17:26:42 -0400</pubDate>
                </item>
				                <item>
                    <title>Robert on How Can We Ever Get Back to The Autographs</title>
                    <link>https://ehrmanblog.org/forum/the-manuscripts-of-the-new-testament/how-can-we-ever-get-back-to-the-autographs/#p47127</link>
                    <category>The Manuscripts of the New Testament</category>
                    <guid isPermaLink="true">https://ehrmanblog.org/forum/the-manuscripts-of-the-new-testament/how-can-we-ever-get-back-to-the-autographs/#p47127</guid>
					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>You're not wrong, Doug, but don't forget the early versions in Syriac (for the gospels) and Latin. Those are two independent witnesses at significant geographic distance from each other. That gives us reasonable confidence that the broad strokes of the New Testament texts were fairly consistent at a fairly early date. Of course that does not extend to the details and it doesn't get us closer than late 2nd century, but given there likely independence it offers reasonable confidence that there probably weren't major revisions prior to that.</p>
]]></description>
					                    <pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2026 11:15:48 -0400</pubDate>
                </item>
				                <item>
                    <title>Doug891512 on How Can We Ever Get Back to The Autographs</title>
                    <link>https://ehrmanblog.org/forum/the-manuscripts-of-the-new-testament/how-can-we-ever-get-back-to-the-autographs/#p47072</link>
                    <category>The Manuscripts of the New Testament</category>
                    <guid isPermaLink="true">https://ehrmanblog.org/forum/the-manuscripts-of-the-new-testament/how-can-we-ever-get-back-to-the-autographs/#p47072</guid>
					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Hi</p>
<p>I am frustrated by the fact that no matter what scholars attempt to do we will never know what the original gospels or letters of Paul said. The delicate tracing through manuscripts, church fathers and finally the bursting on the scene of the Codex Sinaiticus will never satisfy me. I would love some comments to prove me wrong.</p>
<p>Thanks </p>
<p>Doug</p>
]]></description>
					                    <pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2026 18:24:38 -0400</pubDate>
                </item>
				                <item>
                    <title>DavidFord on The Peshitta</title>
                    <link>https://ehrmanblog.org/forum/the-manuscripts-of-the-new-testament/the-peshitta/page-21/#p46852</link>
                    <category>The Manuscripts of the New Testament</category>
                    <guid isPermaLink="true">https://ehrmanblog.org/forum/the-manuscripts-of-the-new-testament/the-peshitta/page-21/#p46852</guid>
					                        <description><![CDATA[<p><b>** you do not have permission to see this link **</b><br />
"Paul, in early writings (e.g., 1 Corinthians 15:3), states he 'received' and passed on the doctrine that Christ died for sins"</p>
<p>Is 1 Cor 15:3 best rendered with:<br />
"Christ died for our sins"?<br />
"Christ died on account of our sins"?</p>
<p>1Corinthians 15:3<br />
<b>** you do not have permission to see this link **</b><br />
(Etheridge) For I delivered to you from the first, according as I had received:<br />
That the Meshiha died for our sins, as it is written;<br />
(Murdock) For I delivered to you from the first, as I had received it;<br />
that the Messiah died on account of our sins, as it is written:<br />
(KJV) For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received,<br />
how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;</p>
]]></description>
					                    <pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2026 15:07:43 -0400</pubDate>
                </item>
				                <item>
                    <title>DavidFord on The Peshitta</title>
                    <link>https://ehrmanblog.org/forum/the-manuscripts-of-the-new-testament/the-peshitta/page-21/#p46851</link>
                    <category>The Manuscripts of the New Testament</category>
                    <guid isPermaLink="true">https://ehrmanblog.org/forum/the-manuscripts-of-the-new-testament/the-peshitta/page-21/#p46851</guid>
					                        <description><![CDATA[<p><b>** you do not have permission to see this link **</b><br />
"The teaching is rooted in Jesus’ own statements about his death as a 'ransom' (Matthew 20:28)"</p>
<p>Is Matthew 20:28 best rendered with:<br />
ransom?<br />
redemption?<br />
salvation?<br />
deliverance?</p>
<p>Matthew 20:28<br />
<b>** you do not have permission to see this link **</b><br />
(Etheridge) So, the Son of man came not to be served, but to serve,<br />
and to give his life the redemption for many.<br />
(Murdock) even as the Son of man came, not to be served, but to serve;<br />
and to give his life a ransom for many.<br />
(Lamsa) Just as the Son of man did not come to be ministered to, but to minister,<br />
and to give his life as a salvation for the sake of many.</p>
<p>Matthew 20:28 (Berean Literal)<br />
<b>** you do not have permission to see this link **</b><br />
even as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve,<br />
and to give His life as a ransom for many.”</p>
<p>Mark 10:45 (Lamsa)<br />
<b>** you do not have permission to see this link **</b><br />
For also the Son of man did not come to be ministered to, but to minister,<br />
and to give his life as a salvation for the sake of many.</p>
<p>Luke 1:68<br />
<b>** you do not have permission to see this link **</b><br />
(NIV)<br />
“Praise be to the Lord, the God of Israel,<br />
because he has come to his people<br />
and redeemed them.<br />
(Lamsa)<br />
Blessed is the Lord, the God of Israel;<br />
for he has visited his people<br />
and wrought a salvation for them.</p>
]]></description>
					                    <pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2026 14:38:36 -0400</pubDate>
                </item>
				                <item>
                    <title>DavidFord on The Peshitta</title>
                    <link>https://ehrmanblog.org/forum/the-manuscripts-of-the-new-testament/the-peshitta/page-21/#p46774</link>
                    <category>The Manuscripts of the New Testament</category>
                    <guid isPermaLink="true">https://ehrmanblog.org/forum/the-manuscripts-of-the-new-testament/the-peshitta/page-21/#p46774</guid>
					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>When Hebrews 8:10 and Hebrews 10:16 were originally written, did they say:<br />
"my laws... write them"?<br />
"my law... write it"?</p>
<p>Hebrews 8:10<br />
<b>** you do not have permission to see this link **</b><br />
(Young's Literal)<br />
because this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel,<br />
after those days, saith the Lord,<br />
giving My laws into their mind,<br />
and upon their hearts I will write them,<br />
and I will be to them for a God,<br />
and they shall be to Me for a people;</p>
<p>(Aramaic Bible in Plain English)<br />
“But this is The Covenant that I shall give to the family of the house of Israel:<br />
After those days, says THE LORD JEHOVAH,<br />
I shall put my law in their minds<br />
and upon their hearts I shall write it,<br />
and I shall be to them a God,<br />
and they shall be to me a people.”</p>
<p>Hebrews 10:16<br />
<b>** you do not have permission to see this link **</b><br />
(NIV)<br />
“This is the covenant I will make with them after that time, says the Lord.<br />
I will put my laws in their hearts,<br />
and I will write them on their minds.”<br />
(Aramaic Bible in Plain English)<br />
“This is the covenant that I shall give them after those days, says THE LORD JEHOVAH:<br />
I shall put my law into their minds,<br />
and I shall write it upon their hearts,</p>
<p>dukhrana.com, Peshitta tool, EBV with footnotes:<br />
Hebrews 10:16 - “Dit is het Verbond dat Ik na die dagen aan hen geven zal, zegt de HEERE! ‘Ik zal mijn Wet in hun verstand leggen en die op hun harten schrijven,<br />
Ik zal mijn Wet ... schrijven - dit is de lezing van de Aramese Peshitta. De lezing van de Griekse NA28, MHT en TR luidt: ‘Ik zal mijn wetten in hun harten geven en Ik zal ze in hun verstand schrijven”.</p>
<p>translate.google.com:<br />
Hebrews 10:16 – “This is the Covenant that I will give them after those days, says the LORD!<br />
‘I will put my Law in their minds<br />
and write it on their hearts,<br />
I will write my Law ... – this is the reading of the Aramaic Peshitta.<br />
The reading of the Greek NA28, MHT, and TR reads:<br />
‘I will put my laws in their hearts and I will write them on their minds’.</p>
<p>Andrew Xian Nyhärt, _The One Law Covenant: Recovering the Heart of the New Covenant_ (2025), 186pp., on 57, 61<br />
<br />
In Hebrews 8 and 10, the writer quotes Jeremiah 31-- the new covenant promise-- not from the Hebrew wording but from the Greek Septuagint.<br />
The LXX renders Jeremiah's "_my law [torati]_" in the singular as "_my laws [tous nomous mou]_" in the plural.<br />
Hebrews cites that Greek wording faithfully.<br />
...<br />
Also worth noting: Hebrews itself, outside the quotation, prefers "law" in the singular when stating the theological shift (Heb. 7:12).</p>
<p>=====================<br />
snips<br />
<b>** you do not have permission to see this link **</b><br />
Hebrews 7:5 N-AMS<br />
INT: according to the law this is</p>
<p>Hebrews 7:12 N-GMS<br />
NAS: a change of law also.</p>
<p>Hebrews 7:16 N-AMS<br />
NAS: [such] not on the basis of a law of physical</p>
<p>Hebrews 7:19 N-NMS<br />
KJV: For the law made nothing</p>
<p>Hebrews 7:28 N-NMS<br />
NAS: For the Law appoints men</p>
<p>Hebrews 7:28 N-AMS<br />
NAS: which came after the Law, [appoints] a Son,</p>
<p>Hebrews 8:4 N-AMS<br />
KJV: gifts according to the law:</p>
<p>Hebrews 8:10 N-AMP<br />
GRK: Κύριος διδοὺς νόμους μου εἰς<br />
NAS: I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR MINDS,</p>
<p>Hebrews 9:19 N-AMS<br />
INT: according to the law by Moses</p>
<p>Hebrews 9:22 N-AMS<br />
INT: according to the law and apart from</p>
<p>Hebrews 10:1 N-NMS<br />
KJV: For the law having a shadow</p>
<p>Hebrews 10:8 N-AMS<br />
NAS: are offered according to the Law),</p>
<p>Hebrews 10:16 N-AMP<br />
GRK: Κύριος διδοὺς νόμους μου ἐπὶ<br />
NAS: I WILL PUT MY LAWS UPON THEIR HEART,<br />
KJV: I will put my laws into their</p>
<p>Hebrews 10:28 N-AMS<br />
NAS: who has set aside the Law of Moses</p>
]]></description>
					                    <pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2026 16:19:07 -0400</pubDate>
                </item>
				                <item>
                    <title>Robert on How Did We Get To The Codex Sinaiticus </title>
                    <link>https://ehrmanblog.org/forum/the-manuscripts-of-the-new-testament/how-did-we-get-to-the-codex-sinaiticus/#p46726</link>
                    <category>The Manuscripts of the New Testament</category>
                    <guid isPermaLink="true">https://ehrmanblog.org/forum/the-manuscripts-of-the-new-testament/how-did-we-get-to-the-codex-sinaiticus/#p46726</guid>
					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>According to Eusebius of Caesarea's <em>Life of Constantine</em>, the emperor ordered, around 331 CE, Eusebius to have fifty codices of the holy scriptures prepared for the churches of Constantinople, his new capital. Some scholars have speculated that Codex Vaticanus or Sinaiticus might have been part of this group of codices. While that may not be true, they are probably similar. </p>
]]></description>
					                    <pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2026 20:16:28 -0400</pubDate>
                </item>
				                <item>
                    <title>Doug891512 on How Did We Get To The Codex Sinaiticus </title>
                    <link>https://ehrmanblog.org/forum/the-manuscripts-of-the-new-testament/how-did-we-get-to-the-codex-sinaiticus/#p46719</link>
                    <category>The Manuscripts of the New Testament</category>
                    <guid isPermaLink="true">https://ehrmanblog.org/forum/the-manuscripts-of-the-new-testament/how-did-we-get-to-the-codex-sinaiticus/#p46719</guid>
					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Hi</p>
<p>I am wondering if anyone can point me to information on how the New Testament progressed from various scattered manuscripts over several centuries to what appears to suddenly become the completed Codex Sinaiticus.</p>
<p>Many Thanks</p>
<p>Doug</p>
]]></description>
					                    <pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2026 17:23:05 -0400</pubDate>
                </item>
				                <item>
                    <title>BJH1960 on Where did the teaching that the entire New Testament was written by God and supernaturally protected by God originate?</title>
                    <link>https://ehrmanblog.org/forum/the-manuscripts-of-the-new-testament/where-did-the-teaching-that-the-entire-new-testament-was-written-by-god-and-supernaturally-protected-by-god-originate/page-2/#p46610</link>
                    <category>The Manuscripts of the New Testament</category>
                    <guid isPermaLink="true">https://ehrmanblog.org/forum/the-manuscripts-of-the-new-testament/where-did-the-teaching-that-the-entire-new-testament-was-written-by-god-and-supernaturally-protected-by-god-originate/page-2/#p46610</guid>
					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like both are worth getting.</p>
<p>Such an interesting topic.</p>
]]></description>
					                    <pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2026 08:45:12 -0400</pubDate>
                </item>
				    </channel>
	</rss>

<!--
Performance optimized by W3 Total Cache. Learn more: https://www.boldgrid.com/w3-total-cache/?utm_source=w3tc&utm_medium=footer_comment&utm_campaign=free_plugin


Served from: ehrmanblog.org @ 2026-07-09 19:22:49 by W3 Total Cache
-->