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AnalogEllen

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November 5, 2014 - 8:43 pm

Does anyone here know the date for the oldest surviving copy/fragment of the Ascension of Isaiah (i.e. as dated by a palaeographer/papyrologist)?

Also, does anyone here know the consensus dating for the original composition of the earliest fragment of this document (I think some estimate it to be a late 1st century document, although this may be complex as the 4th-6th century version may be a hybrid of two or more documents).

I don’t think knowing the date will impact my life that much, but thanks anyway.

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November 5, 2014 - 11:23 pm

I have a copy of Schneemelcher’s Vol 2 of New Testament Apocrypha which has this book.  He only says that there are 3 complete Ethiopic versions (dated 15th to 18th century per wikipedia), several Coptic fragments as well as Greek and old Slavonic fragments.  The only named source is that the Greek fragment is from Amherst Papyri I.

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November 6, 2014 - 4:59 pm

Thanks gmatthews for the helpful info.

Apparently AoI is one of the texts that Richard Carrier uses to support the case that Jesus could have originally been thought to be a celestial being and then he was later euhemerized by the gospel writers, or something to that effect. I have not read RC’s OHJ and currently have no plans to, but I had wondered about the oldest copies of AoI as some mythicists use the argument that Paul’s writings and the gospels can’t be trusted since the oldest complete copies are from 200-300 years after the events and have been tampered with. I don’t know if RC argues this way for his minimal mythicism.

I wonder if there will be any discussion on the recent internet rise of mythicism at the upcoming SBL, and apparently there is a session on ‘Biblioblogging’ by James McGrath.

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November 6, 2014 - 9:45 pm

Jim5 said
Thanks gmatthews for the helpful info.

Apparently AoI is one of the texts that Richard Carrier uses to support the case that Jesus could have originally been thought to be a celestial being and then he was later euhemerized by the gospel writers, or something to that effect. I have not read RC’s OHJ and currently have no plans to, but I had wondered about the oldest copies of AoI as some mythicists use the argument that Paul’s writings and the gospels can’t be trusted since the oldest complete copies are from 200-300 years after the events and have been tampered with. I don’t know if RC argues this way for his minimal mythicism.

I wonder if there will be any discussion on the recent internet rise of mythicism at the upcoming SBL, and apparently there is a session on ‘Biblioblogging’ by James McGrath.

The biggest problem with mythicists and pure atheists in my opinion is that they can’t get around the fact that maybe Jesus really existed!  This of course says nothing about their lack of academic background or authority, but that’s an obvious objection to what they believe…..  Jesus being an actual living, breathing person doesn’t harm the belief that Jesus was not divine and that there is no Biblical “God” one iota to me.  In fact, this is what makes the Jesus movement so fascinating to me.  I’ve never read anything by Carrier and don’t know much about him.  To me a person who is so adamant in their beliefs that they ignore all common sense telling them that they might be wrong poisons every word they utter about everything else for me.  

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