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Book Review - Origen and the Life of the Stars: A History of an Idea
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Stephen
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April 20, 2024 - 1:33 pm

In the mid-1970s science fiction authors Gordon Eklund and Gregory Benford wrote an award winning novelette entitled If the Stars are Gods. The story describes the first contact with aliens who ask to meet the human who “best knows” our Sun. Anxious to exploit the situation and garner as much technical information as possible, our leaders send them a famous, semi-retired astronaut/physicist living in a colony on the Moon. He plies the aliens with technical questions but they are completely uninterested. It turns out that yet another alien race had built their ship and they operate it the way most Americans operate their TVs and computers, without true understanding. What they want to know about is our Sun.

But not physical details – heat, light, gravity, etc. What the aliens want to know about is the “personality” of our star and how it affects us in our daily lives! (Conversely when we inquire about the alien’s star no physical details are offered, only a description of its “moods”.) Among the aliens there are specialists capable of “talking” to the stars and they want permission to speak to ours. Contact with humans was a courtesy! The astronaut eventually convinces the aliens to show him how to “talk” to the stars. A clever, witty story.

I thought of this work when I stumbled upon Prof Alan Scott’s monograph about Origen’s views of the stars and ancient cosmology. Are the stars rational beings? Are they conscious? These questions roiled intellectuals in the ancient Greco-Roman world and had some relevance to Christianity as it developed in the larger Hellenistic world. The book is divided into three parts. First, a discussion of the view of the stars in ancient Greek philosophy – Plato, Aristotle, and the Stoics. Second, a discussion of the thinkers and environment that would have immediately affected Origen – Philo, Clement of Alexandria, and the Hellenistic education system. Lastly, Scott directly discusses Origen’s surviving writings.

Reading back over this description I can see where it might sound like a long, dull 700 page tome, but the text, with notes, is less than two hundred pages. A concise and precise and lively survey. And a nice ten page bibliography for those who want to make a deep dive. This book admirably provides what I require. It helps explain things I knew about but didn’t really understand and tells me stuff I didn’t know about at all.

It’s kind of a waste of time to defend one’s own interests I suppose but it’s a natural question what relevance any of this has otherwise. The early church developed in just this milieu. Second Temple Judaism was thoroughly Hellenized; long gone are the innocent days when scholars could imagine some kind of “pure” Judaism, free from Hellenistic “infection”. On top of that the writers of the New Testament were clearly influenced. How could they not be? For example, scholars have pointed out how closely Paul’s views of the Resurrection body in I Cor resemble Stoic and Middle-Platonist philosophical ideas. And Neo-Platonism profoundly affected the intellectual life of Late Antiquity and the Middle Ages.

But what about the Stars? Astral worship was common in the ancient world, including the Ancient Near East. These practices were apparently common enough to have to be repeatedly condemned by pious Torah observant Hebrews in the scriptures. But as Scott points out, they came fairly late to Greek thought. And then mostly though philosophical speculation. For the Greeks motion was an indicator of intelligence and will. But were the stars themselves divinities or simply objects moved by divinities? And what to make of the planets and their retrograde motion? The Platonists were obsessed with transcendence and assumed that spirit must be immaterial, so if the stars are divine then how come we can even see them? The Stoics didn’t have this problem since they associated spirit with the body and simply assumed the stars were made of Pneuma, a finer material stuff. (The same “stuff” that Paul thought composed the Resurrection body, remember.)

And this for me is the nub of the issue. It’s not just that these folks had less scientific knowledge than we do. They lived in a profoundly different conceptual universe. A universe where stars were alive. Like the aliens in the story, to understand them we have to reorient our own way of thinking. But the point is this – the doctrines of the church were formulated in just such a world. These doctrines make perfect sense within that context. But do they really make sense in ours? Can modern believers really be said to “believe” in the same way as the ancients? Does the attitude of even the most pious contemporary fundamentalist churchgoer resemble in any way the attitude of Jesus’ original disciples? Is it even possible to connect to those old ways of thinking? And if we can’t?

Raise your hand if you ever could really believe that the stars are conscious and alive outside the imagination of a story. But can you really believe that Jesus could walk on water? Or that he could bodily ascend into the clouds? What about the Virgin Birth? Or the Resurrection? What books like this remind us is that the only way we can really contact these ancient ways of thinking is through the power of the imagination. But is that enough?

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BJH1960

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April 21, 2024 - 3:02 am

Thanks for that, Stephen. I really enjoyed it.

Such a different world they inhabited.

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Steefen
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April 21, 2024 - 12:20 pm

The Sun and its solar system creates characteristics on the scale from individuals to ages of world civilization (see the book Cosmos and Psyche by Richard Tarnas). The psyche is also created by other stars.

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April 21, 2024 - 1:35 pm

A mere passing observation: Citing a book by a crackpot doesn’t establish a crackpot thesis as fact.

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Steefen
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April 21, 2024 - 2:50 pm

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We do not do name calling here.
No one respects you for that because that is not the way you earn respect.
That poor reply of yours decreased your credibility while Cosmos and Psyche by Richard Tarnas
has on amazon 703 ratings averaging 4.7 stars. Your opinion (not even one sentence of a valid critique) is in error.

Great Courses – Argumentation: The Study of Effective Reasoning, 2nd Ed
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April 22, 2024 - 6:53 am

In what were its sockets sunk,
or who laid its cornerstone
When the morning stars sang together,
and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Job 38, 6-7

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April 22, 2024 - 2:45 pm

1) As I noted, to the Greek philosophers motion was assumed to be a sign of intelligence and will. It was considered impious to suggest, as did the Pre-Socratic Ionian naturalists, that the stars might merely be flaming balls of rock. Also, the Enochian material is full of astral divinities and imagery. At Qumran portions of the Enochian Astronomical Book were found dating from the second century BCE. It contains an account of Enoch’s heavenly journey, guided by the angel Uriel, where he learns the secrets of the Sun and Moon and the stars. The text contains a description of the Solar Calendar used at Qumran and an attack on the impiety of using a Lunar calendar. Interesting to note that even though the Greeks had already determined that the earth was a sphere the Enochian material firmly retains the primordial ANE/Hebrew Bible view of the three-tiered cosmos, i.e., heaven above, the abyss below, both encompassing a flat earth.

Here is a really good book about Paul and the similarity of his ideas to those of the Stoics and the Middle-Platonists.

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(Pricey of course. But if you’re really interested seek out a less expensive used copy like I did. Try Bookfinder.com and other such sites. I refuse to pay full price for anything. I am also extremely patient.)

2) The more I learn about Origen the more impressed I become. He has been described as the first real genius of the Christian Church. It is a shame that his influence was not greater than it was. But his eventual marginalization was probably inevitable. He lived and wrote at a time when the ideas of the Church were still in some flux. Later, more hardnosed interpreters found his erudition and penchant for speculation well-nigh intolerable. Plus he had some ideas that made the proto-fundamentalists’ bowels loosen. Origen believed in the pre-existence of the soul, i.e., reincarnation, and like everyone else at the time he was a Subordinationist in Christology. To later generations “Origenist” became a smear word like “communist” for the McCarthyites and “Woke” or “Leftist” or “Postmodernist” has become today. He was dismissed as a Hellenist, and while he was thoroughly familiar with Greek philosophy, all was subsumed into a deeply devotional reverence for the scriptures. Origen was simply smarter and more perceptive than his enemies and he couldn’t be forgiven that!

3) The real problem with the ideas of Richard Tarnas is that they rest on an enormous fallacy. They assume that the position we occupy in the universe is privileged in some way. One of the chief accomplishments of the scientific way of thinking has been to disabuse us of this very notion. There is no one privileged position in space-time. This is the real problem with astrology, for example. If you move just a few light years in any direction the constellations we know so well simply disappear. Astrology only makes sense if the earth is the center of the universe. Also, we note that the physical processes that occur in the universe occur everywhere, not just here. And even the conditions under which they break down are predicted by our theory.

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April 22, 2024 - 8:11 pm

In 2006, he published Cosmos and Psyche: Intimations of a New World View, which received

the Book of the Year Prize from the Scientific and Medical Network in the UK.

Richard Tarnas is the founding director of the graduate program in Philosophy, Cosmology, and Consciousness at the California Institute of Integral Studies in San Francisco, where he currently teaches.

he received a classical Jesuit education.

In 1968 he entered Harvard, where he studied Western intellectual and cultural history and depth psychology, graduating with an A.B. cum laude in 1972.

For ten years he lived and worked at Esalen Institute in Big Sur, California, studying with Stanislav Grof, Joseph Campbell, Gregory Bateson, Huston Smith, and James Hillman, later serving as Esalen’s director of programs and education.

He received his Ph.D. from Saybrook Institute in 1976 with a dissertation on LSD psychotherapy, psychoanalysis, and spiritual transformation. From 1980 to 1990, he wrote The Passion of the Western Mind, a narrative history of Western thought from the ancient Greek to the postmodern which became a bestseller and continues to be a widely used text in universities throughout the world.

In 2006, he published Cosmos and Psyche: Intimations of a New World View, which received the Book of the Year Prize from the Scientific and Medical Network in the UK.

Formerly president of the International Transpersonal Association,

he is on the Board of Governors of the C. G. Jung Institute of San Francisco.

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April 22, 2024 - 8:30 pm

What does Thomas Meaney know about mundane astrology? The link is a payroll, Robert.

Astrology was important to Jews in the first century–given the zodiac on the floor of a synagogue.

Sol Invictus was the official sun god of the late Roman Empire.

This field of study, Astrology has survived the test of time. The practice probably began as soon as humans first started to observe astronomical cycles, with some of the earliest evidence dating from the 3rd millennium BCE. Throughout much of history, and up until the 17th century, astrology was considered an academic discipline across much of Eurasia.

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April 23, 2024 - 1:05 pm

Firstly, it is a crime before god and man to charge that kind of price for what is probably a very interesting study. I don’t believe in Hell but I have no doubt the time in Purgatory for the Brill publishers will be very long.

The veracity of astrology and determinism are two different issues. Astrology is deterministic but then so is Calvinism. Current states are determined by prior states, true. But the claims of astrology are demonstrably false. And the assumptions one must make in order to accept it are incongruent with our observations of reality. As I said it requires a perspective that privileges the position of the earth in space – time.

My information about Richard Tarnas is second hand. His PhD is in psychotherapy. He is a Jungian. From a review of his cultural study, The Passion of the Western Mind

Tarnas argues that the movement from the Greek and Christian world views, through modernity and to postmodernism can be seen as a natural and dialectical unfolding of a collective mind or psyche. Tarnas outlines the intellectual-cultural development of the modern world view from its origins in Greek and Judaeo-Christian mythologies. He then argues that with the advent of postmodernism, the modern world is in a serious spiritual crisis, which manifests as the global ecological crisis. He proposes that a potential resolution, which he calls the participatory framework, has also been in development in the West for centuries.

From a review of Cosmos and Psyche

The book’s objective is to challenge the materialistic and dysteleological assumptions of the modern world view, and to set forth evidence for a correspondence between planetary alignments and patterns of human history. The book attempts to provide an archetypal cosmology to accompany Tarnas’s proposed participatory epistemology, “in which human beings are regarded as an essential vehicle for the creative self-unfolding of reality”.

As one of those evil materialists and determinists I find all of this deeply problematical. All of it rests on the mistaken assumption that humans occupy a privileged position in space-time. A view invalidated by our observations of the cosmos. That many people are simply loath to abandon this view (It’s all about me!) is beside the point.

I admire Origen within his own context. Doesn’t mean I agree with a single thing he said. He was trying to think it through. I always admire such attempts. Hardly matters if I agree with the conclusions. But in my experience most people at some level want their beliefs to correspond with reality. The scientific approach is that an invalidated hypothesis should be abandoned. Admittedly not a natural way of thinking. We’re more likely to want to hold on to our cherished beliefs no matter what. We so intertwine our beliefs with our sense of self-worth and self-understanding that a critique is taken as an attack upon our personal integrity.

As a consequence critiques of ideas like “free-will” or “purpose” in nature are seen as attempts to undermine our very status as human beings. If you say, well, that’s where the evidence points, then you’re looked at like you were a witch. In the end, I’m sad to admit, I think we will recoil from a scientific understanding of the world for this very reason. It is neither comforting nor reassuring. (Tarnas’ “spiritual crisis”.) The fundamental prejudice we have as human beings is that if we penetrate to “ultimate reality” we will find it glorious and validating. But what if it’s just particles and magnetic fields?

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April 23, 2024 - 5:42 pm

Steefen said
The real problem with the ideas of Richard Tarnas is that they rest on an enormous fallacy. They assume that the position we occupy in the universe is privileged in some way. One of the chief accomplishments of the scientific way of thinking has been to disabuse us of this very notion. There is no one privileged position in space-time. This is the real problem with astrology, for example. If you move just a few light years in any direction the constellations we know so well simply disappear. Astrology only makes sense if the earth is the center of the universe. Also, we note that the physical processes that occur in the universe occur everywhere, not just here. And even the conditions under which they break down are predicted by our theory.

Steefen:
I said that? ? ?

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April 23, 2024 - 5:44 pm

The position we occupy in the universe is privileged in some way.

Steefen
The position we occupy in this solar system does have advantages.

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April 23, 2024 - 5:51 pm

At a picnic, the picnic table with refreshments is under a large beautiful tree.
The softball diamond is 50 yards away and none of it has tree coverage.

The comfort level is better under the tree and the comfort level is suitable for pleasantries.
The softball diamond is suitable for playful competition and effort.

The experience of the hour is not objective. It is subjective.

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April 23, 2024 - 5:52 pm

Steefen said
The real problem with the ideas of Richard Tarnas is that they rest on an enormous fallacy. They assume that the position we occupy in the universe is privileged in some way. One of the chief accomplishments of the scientific way of thinking has been to disabuse us of this very notion. There is no one privileged position in space-time. This is the real problem with astrology, for example. If you move just a few light years in any direction the constellations we know so well simply disappear. Astrology only makes sense if the earth is the center of the universe. Also, we note that the physical processes that occur in the universe occur everywhere, not just here. And even the conditions under which they break down are predicted by our theory.

Steefen:
I said that? ? ?

What Robert wrote:

Stephen said
The real problem with the ideas of Richard Tarnas is that they rest on an enormous fallacy. They assume that the position we occupy in the universe is privileged in some way. One of the chief accomplishments of the scientific way of thinking has been to disabuse us of this very notion. There is no one privileged position in space-time. This is the real problem with astrology, for example. If you move just a few light years in any direction the constellations we know so well simply disappear. Astrology only makes sense if the earth is the center of the universe. Also, we note that the physical processes that occur in the universe occur everywhere, not just here. And even the conditions under which they break down are predicted by our theory.

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April 23, 2024 - 6:00 pm

The comfort level is better under the tree and the comfort level is suitable for pleasantries.
The softball diamond is suitable for playful competition and physical exertion, an effort of participating in a sport.

“One of the chief accomplishments of the scientific way of thinking has been to disabuse us of this very notion. There is no one privileged position in space-time.”

The price of tickets for classical concerts and sporting events are based on the unique vantage point of observation and experience.

Does one want to have the experience of center orchestra seats or obstructed view, Tier III left?

And time,

there is a difference between living in the Age of Aries 2150 to 1 CE
and
the Age of Pisces 1 CE to 2150 CE.

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