The above quote from the link does not support the beauty of pregnancy.
I never said he found pregnancy beautiful. I denied that he opined that the pregnant body was so revolting that a virgin should avoid the sight of pregnant women.
I additionally denied Hardesty’s claim that he thought the virgin’s body was ugly or distasteful and that, for that reason, the virgin should hide it.
Porphyry
I denied that he opined that the pregnant body was so revolting that a virgin should avoid the sight of pregnant women.
Jerome
I prefer women be virgins than be married.
Jerome knew people and valued their opinion that:
Pregnancy make people think of the sexual act that caused the pregnancy, therefore Virgins of Christ, avoid baths were pregnant women bather.
Steefen
Jerome and the people who had their own opinion
are in the same camp.
I disagree with Jerome and the people he knew.
If Porphyry wants to make a distinction in the camp, the point is moot and I do not care about the quibble.
This has blown totally out of proportion.
What should have happened:
Yes Jerome has the opinion of others in the letter but it is a short throw away from what he thinks of pregnancy.
But it is a short throw away from what he thinks of pregnancy.
It is an insignificant difference from what he actually thought.
‘m looking at the facts.
Porphyry’s rudeness has been removed.
Second, you’re defending Porphyry, Porphyry is not defending what you imagine.
Porphyry’s objection has been vetted and it did not sway the understanding that Jerome saw procreation was an indulgence, and that pregnancy was not a top choice he had for women. For them, he preferred virginity.
Eventually, for a polite conversation in English, the Latin has to be translated into English. Chat GPT and the google translate tool sufficed.
Porphyry:
I denied that he opined that the pregnant body was so revolting that a virgin should avoid the sight of pregnant women.
Steefen:
The paper Porphyry shared stated that Jerome saw virginity as the state of Adam and Eve in Eden and that virginity is the state of affairs in paradise.
Now, if anyone thinks there is a 180 degree turn to Jerome finding pregnancy an equally ideal and beautiful state, you are in error.
The young naked virgin of Christ is beautiful, not the pregnant married woman without sexual sin.
I’ve lived through the time where a pregnant woman was on a magazine cover.
It is not valuable to me to go
from: I said it
to: I didn’t say it but I will write what others say because I agree with them when it is taken to the logical conclusion;
I do not find pregnancy an ideal state: it didn’t exist in Eden before the fall and it will not exist in paradise.
it did not sway the understanding that Jerome saw procreation was an indulgence, and that pregnancy was not a top choice he had for women. For them, he preferred virginity.
As Robert already pointed out, the view that virginity is superior to marriage was commonplace among the fathers. It is a view they got from Paul (1 Cor. 7:9). I never denied that, and it was never what the conversation was about.
Obviously you may disagree with him, even vehemently, but that isn’t relevant to the point we have been discussing.
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