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Porphyry said
It sort of makes sense. The God of the OT commands some pretty troubling stuff, so if you start with the premise that God is good, it isn’t too hard to see how someone could conclude the the God portrayed in the the OT is not the real God. I guess I mean that, it depends on what commitments you take as the foundation of your theology.
When you look at statements like “Your father is the devil” [John 8:44] or “No one can serve two masters” [Matthew 6:24], it becomes incredibly clear why Marcion arrived at his “Two Gods” theory.
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Marcion argued that if Jesus had to correct the law given in the Old Testament, it must mean the Father Jesus speaks of is not the same God who gave the law to Moses. [** you do not have permission to see this link **]
To see why this tension exists, we have to look at the two radically different ways to interpret Jesus’s words.
The Marcionite View: Two Different Fathers
If you view them as two different gods, the text reads like a direct exposure:
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- Their Father (The Demiurge): A lower, tribal god who governs by law, accommodates human hardness, and compromises on morals by allowing divorce. [** you do not have permission to see this link **]
- Our Father (Jesus’s Father): The supreme God of absolute love and perfection, who demands total heart-transformation (“from the beginning”) and does not compromise with sin. [** you do not have permission to see this link **]
Under this view, Jesus isn’t protecting the Old Testament God’s reputation, saying “MOSES permitted you”, instead of GOD permitted you to divorce in ** you do not have permission to see this link **; he is exposing that God’s laws as inferior and unspiritual, proving they worshiped a different deity.
p.s. In the thread about Enoch, reply 217, here: ** you do not have permission to see this link ** I think I clearly introduced the theory about 2 GODS through 2 sources, 2 genealogies – either is Enoch 3rd, or 7th from Adam, it cannot be both. The exact mathematical anomaly that ancient Gnostics and Marcionites used to argue their case. If Enoch is the 3rd from Adam in one list and the 7th from Adam in another, it is logically impossible for both to describe the exact same family line. Marcionites seized on contradictions like this to claim that the Hebrew scriptures were a collection of conflicting, flawed accounts from “a lesser creator god”, if we accept as factual what quoted…
about Marcion from his critics and enemies
p.p.s. this is it, how I see things, after some research:
Our only window into Marcion’s mind came from the furious rants of his bitter orthodox enemies: Tertullian of Carthage (writing around 207 CE in Adversus Marcionem) and Epiphanius of Salamis
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