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Professor Robyn Walsh says:
Kloppenborg says we don’t have any evidence until the second century of Romans at the senatorial level being Christians.
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What about Clemens and Flavia Domitilla?
FLAVIA DOMITILLA – JewishEncyclopedia.com
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One of his four children, Titus Flavius Clemens, later consul and martyr, married Flavia Domitilla, who was a granddaughter of his uncle
We don’t have any evidence until the second century of
Romans at the senatorial level being Christians?
Flavius Clemens (consul 95 ce), grandson of *Vespasian’s brother *Flavius Sabinus (the praefectus urbi) and husband of *Flavia Domitilla (the niece of *Domitian); an ineffectual person (‘contemptissimae inertiae’, Suet.Dom. 15. 1), he was put to death and his wife exiled soon after his consulate. They are said to have been guilty of ἀθεότης (impiety), by implication of practising Judaism (Cass. Dio 67. 14. 1 f.); later tradition alleges that they were Christians. Domitian intended two of the seven children (ILS1839) of Clemens—Vespasian and Domitian as they were to be called, see flavius domitianus, t.—to succeed him; they are not heard of after 96. According to Suetonius, Clemens’ death hastened that of Domitian: want of an adult heir probably encouraged assassins.
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Prof. Robyn Walsh
Thank you for reaching out.
My understanding is that the sources for these figures– particularly Flavia Domitilla– are fraught and because of his late date it is hard to rely on the testimony of Eusebius.
Kloppenborg uses inscriptional evidence and combs through other extant rosters for various assemblies in the ancient Mediterranean to come to his conclusion.
I’ve spoken to him about it as well to confirm that I understood him correctly and he backs up his findings in person.
So scholars are more likely to treat the literary sources in this case with more suspicion.
I hope you are well and take care!
Best,
Robyn
Steefen
The Catacombs of Domitilla are an underground Christian cemetery named after the Domitilla family that had initially ordered them to be dug. They are located in Rome, Italy. They are situated over 16 metres underground, about 2 kilometers from the south of Appia Antica and span 15 kilometers in distance.
The Catacombs of Domitilla are an underground Christian[1] cemetery named after the Domitilla family that had initially ordered them to be dug.[2] They are located in Rome, Italy.[3] They are situated over 16 metres underground, about 2 kilometers from the south of Appia Antica[4] (Appian Way) and span 15 kilometers in distance.[4] They were actively used as a cemetery from the first through the fifth centuries AD[4] and were rediscovered in 1593 by Antonio Bosio, an archaeologist.
Prof. Ehrman,
I thought Flavia Domitilla, the catacombs of Domitilla, and Flavius Clemens proved the existence of Christians in high places in Rome.
With Flavia and Clemens being from the first century, why could the author of Christ’s Associations, John Kloppenborg, say
we don’t have any evidence until the second century of Romans at the senatorial level being Christians.
Prof. Robyn Walsh (U of Miami) says:
My understanding is that the sources for these figures– particularly Flavia Domitilla– are fraught and because of his late date it is hard to rely on the testimony of Eusebius.
Kloppenborg uses inscriptional evidence and combs through other extant rosters for various assemblies in the ancient Mediterranean to come to his conclusion.
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The existence of Flavia Domitilla and Flavius Clemens is dependent on Eusebius in some way?
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