Steefen:
Ammon, give us the source and citation for the antidote to death inducers so people can be convinced Galen or whoever actually said boys are antidotes (anti-Christs) to death inducers. Second, answer this. You say Jesus and Judas took death-inducers the night of the Last Supper because they had high anxiety about the upcoming betrayal?
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I’m looking into the origin and meaning of αποκαλυψσι
It’s seems to be a unique Bible word. There’s not any other references to other books using the word. ** you do not have permission to see this link **
(Except: a second century Greek philosopher, Plutarch, who used the word once to refer to the aging and death of his body) ** you do not have permission to see this link **
So what does the word really mean?
Luke 2:32
Revelation 1:1
Who says the modern definition of it being a Genocidal World War is incorrect? Have scholars and theologians invented a meaning into it that is not linguistically-historically accurate? That would be really bad for ancient international diplomacy if say, Luke 2:32 was really about the genocide of Gentiles in the OT Day of Lord prophecy.
Chat,
Did Galen know of any death inducers and antidotes using boys?
Chat GPT:
There is no evidence that Galen, the famous Greek physician of the 2nd century AD, advocated or documented the use of boys as antidotes to poisons. Galen was a rigorous scientist for his time, focusing on humoral theory, pharmacology, and the effects of various substances on the body. He extensively studied poisons and antidotes, particularly theriac, a complex multi-ingredient remedy derived from Mithridates VI of Pontus.
Galen was familiar with poisons such as hemlock, aconite, and opium in toxic doses, as well as antidotes like theriac, which contained ingredients like snake venom, opium, and various herbs. However, there is no credible historical record of him suggesting that the blood or body of boys could act as an antidote. If you have a particular source suggesting this, I’d be interested in exploring its origins!
Steefen
What are some of the books by Galen that were translated into English?
Chat:
Several of Galen’s works have been translated into English, as his writings have had a significant impact on Western medicine. Here are some notable ones:
1. “On the Natural Faculties”
Translation by A. J. Brock (1844)
One of Galen’s foundational texts, it explores the natural functions of the human body, including nutrition, digestion, and the relationship between the body and mind.
2. “On the Preservation of Health”
Translation by Ian Johnston
A practical guide to maintaining health, this work covers diet, exercise, and lifestyle choices based on Galen’s medical philosophy.
3. “On the Usefulness of the Parts of the Body”
Translation by Margaret Tallman
In this work, Galen offers an anatomical analysis of the human body, examining the functions and relationships of various organs and systems.
4. “On the Mixtures and Powers of Simple Drugs”
Translation by R. J. Hankinson (1991)
A detailed pharmacological work where Galen discusses the properties of medicinal plants and compounds, categorizing them for different therapeutic uses.
5. “Galen’s Method of Healing”
Translation by D. D. V. M. (1995)
This text focuses on Galen’s methods for diagnosing and treating diseases, emphasizing the importance of understanding the body’s balance of humors.
6. “On the Therapeutic Method”
Translation by T. M. L. (Various English Editions)
An exploration of Galen’s approach to treatment, this work delves into his ideas about the importance of patient care and understanding the diseases’ nature.
7. “Galen on Bloodletting: A Study of the Origins, Development, and Validity of a Medical Technique”
Translation by W. D. J. De Lange
A key work where Galen explains bloodletting, which was a common practice in his time, and explores its physiological effects.
8. “On the Therapeutic Power of Food”
Translation by Michael R. McVaugh
This work is a comprehensive discussion of how diet can influence health, covering how certain foods can heal or exacerbate conditions.
These texts reflect Galen’s approach to medicine, emphasizing anatomy, physiology, and pharmacology, and many became core texts in medieval European and Islamic medicine.
Ammon Hillman brings up the tragedy Ion by Euripides.
Chat:
Summary of Ion and the Role of Poison
Ion is a tragedy that revolves around the story of Ion, the son of the goddess Apollo and Creusa, the daughter of Erechtheus, king of Athens. The play explores the themes of identity, abandonment, and divine intervention. At one point in the narrative, Creusa attempts to poison her son, Ion, but does not succeed. Instead, she is confronted with the consequences of her actions, highlighting how the gods’ will can frustrate or complicate human intentions.
Poison and Murder Attempt:
In Ion, Creusa tries to kill her son with poison because she believes that he is the product of an illicit relationship with Apollo, and she is ashamed of him. This moment serves as a dramatic turning point in the play, where Creusa’s personal fears and guilt manifest in her attempt to kill Ion.
The poison can be viewed as a “death inducer” because it is meant to cause Ion’s death, and the failure of the poison underscores the divine influence over human affairs.
Divine Intervention and the Role of the Gods:
The gods, particularly Apollo, intervene in human affairs, and in this case, Apollo’s will prevents Ion’s death. Despite Creusa’s attempt, the poison doesn’t have the intended effect, signaling that the divine forces cannot be thwarted by human actions.
The play suggests that even when humans try to control their destinies through means like poison, the gods’ power ultimately determines the outcome.
Why Poison Is Mentioned
The use of poison in Ion serves as a narrative device to explore the following themes:
Human Agency vs. Divine Will: Poison symbolizes human attempts to take control of life and death. In Ion, Creusa’s use of poison is a reflection of her desire to rid herself of her perceived burden. However, it also highlights the limitations of human agency when it comes to matters governed by the gods.
The Tragic Irony of Fate: Creusa’s attempt to kill her son is ironic because, unknowingly, she is trying to destroy her own flesh and blood, and the gods have already ensured his survival. The poison also reflects the destructive power of misunderstanding and how people’s actions can be influenced by their emotions, like guilt and fear.
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Then Ammon brings up Plutarch.
He also goes into Paul using the drug trade.
Cleopatra, earlier, also knew about the drug trade. She was a priestess.
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That’s all I found. “Revel” is in the poems, epigrams four times. Revel and Revelation are not synonymous. Other than this, there’s a lot of history and analysis written about Philodemus that is more than he wrote himself.
At 5:55 he, Beast of Ammon uses the passive voice meaning (to be satisfied) of αρκει μοι 🤷♂️, but that’s not a passive voice verb.
αρκεω
αρκει: Impersonal verb, Indicative Mood, Active Voice, Present tense, 3rd person Singular
Root is the same as αρηγω
It is enough for me: I am well content
Same thing I guess 🤷♂️ so the active voice verb used with dative case first person pronoun is the same thing as the passive voice verb verb
Steefen, Argumentation Expert
So, Ammon has given us something e;se to think about:
Jesus knew Judas was betraying him with the worst case scenario being crucifixion.
Jesus thought that was a high probability, he begged God not to go through with it, but if it must be, Thy will be done.
BUT, I’m not suffering on the cross as long as it usually takes, I’m taking a death inducer (poison) and I’m daying early, I’m not going to suffer on the cross for as long as it takes.
They tried to give him an antidote for the poison but, vinegar doesn’t quench thirst.
Picking up where the video left off..
Ammon, if you wanted to die, just take Hemlock.
BUT WE ARE NOT TALKING about that, we’re talking about mystery religions. You’re supposed to triumph over death.
We don’t have mystery religions anymore. We have carnivals.
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Finally, at 1:06.19, I see his quote #24 Galenus Med. De Simplicium medicamentorum …
Volume 12, page 174, line 11
Theriacs and death inducers
administered via [he doesn’t say in English] making the seals
the same methodology and the same language as in John’s Apocalypse
You do not have prophets without drugs
1:08.38 same book, Vol II, p. 609, line 8
treat the deleterious death inducers which can kill you like Hemlock.
Give pain killer with the antidote for the poison/death inducer
I didn’t want to be accidentally exposed to the thirst inducer.
Look, everything can fall on the efficacy of the drug. So, efficacy comes from experience using the drugs.
(Theriac is the correct spelling. I may have put the letter “k” in the spelling earlier.)
Ammon:
We are using prophylactics against the death-inducing drugs.
So many antidotes to mind altering drugs…
Wolven Joker Lokison:
Run, Christians, Run… Your Christ Can’t Save You NOw!
The Ancient Greek has spoken. There is more to know that you all did not tell us ! ! !
You tried to canonize all of this EVIDENCE out.
Ammon:
Diodorus Siculus
This is a Christing operation against the death inducers.
We’re Christing arrows with poison on their tips.
Another Source: Aristoteles et Corpus Aristotelicum Phil. Mirabilium auscultationes Bekker p. 835B line 34
Theophrastus Phil. Historia plantarum Bk 4 Ch 4 section 2 line 12
Ammon:
We created a fairy tale about what Christ (a house of cards that cannot stand) was but now we know the explicit meaning of christing.
We’re going to end with this.
Mania is the ecstasy of your mind/reasoning. Insanity is what happens when you stretch out mania.
People are LYING to you. This is your chance to be free.
They think they know their texts about Jesus.
End of video.
This video gets a thumb up.
Ammon was a street preacher before adulthood. In the past he preached at homeless shelters before his Ancient Greek obsessions. Now he’s made Jesus into the evil Jesus villain through his Ancient Greek obsession and preaches to NOT be like the evil Jesus villain. 🤷♂️
Ok then, that’s a new kind of street preacher.
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