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An Atheistic Stance
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Steefen
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April 6, 2022 - 9:39 pm

An atheistic stance could be taken with respect to the god of the false prophet, Jesus. Apocalypticism (1 Repentence, 2 Tribulation 3 Judgment 4 Glorious Son of Man Kingdom of God) failed as an hypothesis; so, an apocalyptic prophet cannot help but be a false prophet. Jesus with his Last Supper even ran afoul of Leviticus 17: 10 and to this day people are misled. No doubt, some of the teachings of Jesus are valuable, but Jesus’ atheism (he willfully had God turn his face away, he willfully got excommunicated from the people of God, when his loving Father set him up for failure by not preparing him to be accepted by the Jewish establishment. There are other angles to see this, but basically the story of Jesus is post-war literature where the war was the First Jewish-Roman War where the promise of Apocalypticism did not true up. The horrible loss at the Battle of Galilee, the horrible starvation and cannibalism when the Civil War rebel leaders cut off food supplies, the horrible destruction of the Temple all caused former believers to end god and community of god, with Jesus as prime example.

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April 6, 2022 - 11:03 pm

Steefen I would identify as an atheist but I really have no idea what your point is here.  Not that it’s necessary for you to have a point or for me to understand it.   But you do seem to be inviting a response.  What sort of response are you expecting?

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April 7, 2022 - 1:38 pm

Steefen said
An atheistic stance could be taken with respect to the god of the false prophet, Jesus. Apocalypticism (1 Repentence, 2 Tribulation 3 Judgment 4 Glorious Son of Man Kingdom of God) failed as an hypothesis; so, an apocalyptic prophet cannot help but be a false prophet. Jesus with his Last Supper even ran afoul of Leviticus 17: 10 and to this day people are misled. No doubt, some of the teachings of Jesus are valuable, but Jesus’ atheism (he willfully had God turn his face away, he willfully got excommunicated from the people of God, when his loving Father set him up for failure by not preparing him to be accepted by the Jewish establishment. There are other angles to see this, but basically the story of Jesus is post-war literature where the war was the First Jewish-Roman War where the promise of Apocalypticism did not true up. The horrible loss at the Battle of Galilee, the horrible starvation and cannibalism when the Civil War rebel leaders cut off food supplies, the horrible destruction of the Temple all caused former believers to end god and community of god, with Jesus as prime example.

  

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April 8, 2022 - 12:56 pm

The original post must advance further because of content in the video.

Original Post: Jesus runs afoul of Leviticus 17:10-11

Steve Campbell, author of Historical Accuracy
God, who inspires scripture, let’s people interpret Jesus’ death as human sacrifice in scripture. Now, scripture writers (Paul and the authors of the gospels) run afoul of Leviticus 17: 10-11.

p/u at 10:08 / 15:58

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Steefen
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April 8, 2022 - 1:05 pm

Question of Support

So you’re implying a god who does not want human sacrifice

1) did not appreciate Jesus’ Last Supper, and

2) did not inspire scriptures of Last Supper/Holy Communion.

This god who did not want human sacrifice, who turned his face away from Jesus and excommunicated him
in all likelihood did not raise him from the dead. God did not give us Easter.

Steve Campbell, Author of Historical Accuracy
“Three men crucified, one survives” comes from the autobiography of Josephus.

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April 11, 2022 - 5:04 pm

This is all just totally bonkers, Steefen.

 

I think Jesus actually spoke Gaelic, with a southern drawl, and wore a giant rabbit costume as part of his later ministry. I think this is true because he once said something about liking green, or at least didn’t say anything opposing green . . . and fried chicken. And the bunny outfit is because he advocated peace, and rabbits are really peaceful, as long as you don’t approach them too quickly . . . at least one never started a war, as far as we known. And here is visual proof:

 

** you do not have permission to see this link **

 

 

Really, it is approaching that level of nonsense.

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Steefen
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April 14, 2022 - 3:39 pm

Steefen said

Steefen said

An atheistic stance could be taken with respect to the god of the false prophet, Jesus. Apocalypticism (1 Repentence, 2 Tribulation 3 Judgment 4 Glorious Son of Man Kingdom of God) failed as an hypothesis; so, an apocalyptic prophet cannot help but be a false prophet. Jesus with his Last Supper even ran afoul of Leviticus 17: 10 and to this day people are misled. No doubt, some of the teachings of Jesus are valuable, but Jesus’ atheism (he willfully had God turn his face away, he willfully got excommunicated from the people of God, when his loving Father set him up for failure by not preparing him to be accepted by the Jewish establishment. There are other angles to see this, but basically the story of Jesus is post-war literature where the war was the First Jewish-Roman War where the promise of Apocalypticism did not true up. The horrible loss at the Battle of Galilee, the horrible starvation and cannibalism when the Civil War rebel leaders cut off food supplies, the horrible destruction of the Temple all caused former believers to end god and community of god, with Jesus as prime example.

  

  

The title of this video does not match the content.

 

In its place, feel free to comment on Judges, Chapter 11 verses 30 – 40. Here, there is no ram in the bush.

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