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An Interesting Parallel Between Virgil's "Aeneid" and Luke's "Acts"
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brickleytre

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October 1, 2022 - 8:28 pm
“Now as we held our son between our hands and both our grieving faces, a tongue of fire, watch, flares up from the crown of Iulus’ head, a subtle flame licking his downy hair, feeding around the boy’s brow, and though it never harmed him, panicked, we rush to shake the flame from his curls and smother the holy fire, damp it down with water. But Father Anchises lifts his eyes to the stars in joy and stretching his hands toward the sky, sings out: ‘Almighty Jove! If any prayer can persuade you now, look down on us—that’s all I ask—if our devotion has earned it, grant us another omen, Father, seal this first clear sign.’” – [Source: The Aeneid (Penguin Classics Deluxe Edition) (p. 132). Penguin Publishing Group. Kindle Edition.]
 
“When the day of Pentecost had come, they were all together in one place. And suddenly from heaven there came a sound like the rush of a violent wind, and it filled the entire house where they were sitting. Divided tongues, as of fire, appeared among them, and a tongue rested on each of them. 4 All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other languages, as the Spirit gave them ability… – [Source: New Revised Standard Version: Updated Edition(Friendship Press, 2021), Ac 2:1–4.]
 
In both accounts, the tongues of fire (1) rest on the head of the objects of favor and (2) serve as a sign (a portent, an omen) of some significant divine action or intention. Of course, Virgil’s work was earlier than Luke’s, and Luke was a well-educated, Greek-speaking (and maybe Latin?) person living in the Greco-Roman world. It is not at all implausible that he was familiar with Virgil in general and The Aeneid in particular.
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October 1, 2022 - 10:55 pm

The thing to do would be to research ancient greek literature to see just how common this image might have been.  If it was rare then that might increase the likelihood of some direct influence.  But if you can find dozens of examples it would seem to to show it was just part of the available reservoir of poetic imagery.     

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October 2, 2022 - 2:04 pm

brickleytre said

“Now as we held our son between our hands and both our grieving faces, a tongue of fire, watch, flares up from the crown of Iulus’ head, a subtle flame licking his downy hair, feeding around the boy’s brow, and though it never harmed him, panicked, we rush to shake the flame from his curls and smother the holy fire, damp it down with water. But Father Anchises lifts his eyes to the stars in joy and stretching his hands toward the sky, sings out: ‘Almighty Jove! If any prayer can persuade you now, look down on us—that’s all I ask—if our devotion has earned it, grant us another omen, Father, seal this first clear sign.’” – [Source: The Aeneid (Penguin Classics Deluxe Edition) (p. 132). Penguin Publishing Group. Kindle Edition.]
 
“When the day of Pentecost had come, they were all together in one place. And suddenly from heaven there came a sound like the rush of a violent wind, and it filled the entire house where they were sitting. Divided tongues, as of fire, appeared among them, and a tongue rested on each of them. 4 All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other languages, as the Spirit gave them ability… – [Source: New Revised Standard Version: Updated Edition(Friendship Press, 2021), Ac 2:1–4.]
 
In both accounts, the tongues of fire (1) rest on the head of the objects of favor and (2) serve as a sign (a portent, an omen) of some significant divine action or intention. Of course, Virgil’s work was earlier than Luke’s, and Luke was a well-educated, Greek-speaking (and maybe Latin?) person living in the Greco-Roman world. It is not at all implausible that he was familiar with Virgil in general and The Aeneid in particular.

  

Steve Campbell, author of Historical Accuracy

I wonder if that made it into Prof. Dennis MacDonald’s book, Luke and Vergil. Do you know?

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