ARE YOU SAVED-Uh? – Is your soul saved (afterlife) or Is your body saved (resurrection)? Make up your mind, Jesus, the gospels, and the NT. (Glen & Grace)
Reason for the video: Join the discussion: Jesus Saves comes from the duality of Platonism, not the Hebrew Bible–or it mostly comes from outside the Hebrew Bible.
The Jewish Bible vs the duality in Platonism
Steefen:
It’s a little bit of both but it is undeniable: what profits a person to gain the world and lose one’s soul and the Kingdom of Righteousness/Heaven/God?
Of course, once it’s been brought to the original poster’s attention, they are free to edit the comment and replace the embed with a link (and a warning that the youtube linked to has a misogynistic thumbnail).
While it would be egregious to claim that pointing out the misogynistic thumbnail “is the real misogyny”, if the offending thumbnail is removed from the forum, one way or another, there’d no longer be anything to point out.
Robert:
If we want to contextualize this statement as plausibly to be on the lips of Jesus, I would caution against interpreting “soul” here in a Greek Platonic manner.
Rather the Hebrew sense of nephesh could fit in very well with Jesus’ apocalyptic teaching.
Steefen:
How does what you are saying fit in with Christian thought: body dies and having repented, we live with Jesus and God in Heaven (the world to come)?
Steefen:
Jesus turns to the man on the cross and tells him, today you will be in Paradise.
There is at least two things on the lips of Jesus:
1) Don’t go for gains in this world at the expense of losing Heaven
2) The soul can enter Paradise after the death of the body.
Robert:
Rather the Hebrew sense of nephesh could fit in very well with Jesus’ apocalyptic teaching.
Those who focus on gathering their riches in this age, but are destroyed before the world to come, the Kingdom of God here on earth…
Steefen:
Jesus is preaching to his contemporaries:
John the Baptist and Jesus: repent and do not try for earthly gains so much that you cannot enter the Kingdom of God that is coming on earth.
I think that is what you’re distinguishing:
Everything takes place on Earth until it doesn’t.
vs.
Christians are using a Platonic, not a nephesh interpretation, but you’re saying the Kingdom of God that is coming on earth goes along with resurrection/nephesh?
Is that right or please explain.
Reason for the video below: your body was saved was once believed.
- Academic Influence: Introduced the concept of gender into medieval studies, particularly with her book Holy Feast and Holy Fast (1987).
- Research Focus: Explored bodily resurrection, medieval women’s piety, and the role of objects in devotion.
- Awards: MacArthur Fellow (1986–1991), winner of the Jacques Barzun Prize (1996), and recipient of the Jefferson Lecturer in the Humanities (1999).
- Leadership: Served as president of the American Historical Association (1996), the Medieval Academy of America, and the American Catholic Historical Association.
- Key Publications: Jesus as Mother (1982), Holy Feast and Holy Fast (1987), Fragmentation and Redemption (1991), The Resurrection of the Body in Western Christendom (1995), and Christian Materiality (2011).
YouTube Channel: Glen & Grace | Faith Uncovered
Video: What Carolyn Walker Bynum Revealed about Resurrection
Robert:
The idea of entering Heaven or Paradise immediately after death was probably not shared by Jesus the apocalyptic preacher/teacher.
Steefen:
That is a radical theory, Robert. I am not prepared to accept that conspiracy. Some of Jesus’ last words you are ripping out of his mouth.
Robert said
No, Steefen, this is neither a radical idea nor a conspiracy. It is the most common opinion of historico-critical scholars. If, for example, you were to read the works of Bart Ehrman, the host of this blog, you would find this to be the common opinion of scholars that he popularizes for non-scholars such as yourself.
Yes, Robert, it is a radical idea and a conspiracy: not one United Methodist Church nor a Baptist Church and probably not a Catholic Church has preached this radical, conspiracy theory.
What you say is so common, cooked up by historio-critical scholars is not common in the churches.
Second search Bart’s Recent Posts and pull two or three posts he has written about this that you say I missed. We look forward to what you share.
Tell us why biblical scholars have not footnoted that verse as such OR what editions of the Bible do footnote that verse with what your broad-reaching or not so broad-reaching historico-critical scholars have pronounced.
Is it in the NET bible?
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- Most Recent Versions (Major Updates):
- ESV (English Standard Version): 2025.
- NRSVue (New Revised Standard Version Updated Edition): 2021.
- NASB 2020 (New American Standard Bible): 2020.
- WEB (World English Bible): 2020.
- NET (New English Translation): The NET Bible is a modern, digital-first translation with revisions in 2003, 2005, 2017, and 2019. While highly current, it is not “the” most recent translation compared to 2020/2021/2025 updates.
Robert:
The idea of entering Heaven or Paradise immediately after death was probably not shared by Jesus the apocalyptic preacher/teacher.
Steefen:
Wait, you are not just saying the humble bandit did not enter Heaven/Paradise immediately after death but even Jesus did not go to Heaven immediately when he died.
And you think that historico-critical conclusion is common and wide-spread? Where did the spirit of Jesus go?
Maybe you’re going to say, Jesus did not commend his spirit into the hands of his Heavenly Father. Yes?
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