What do you all say to people who think you didn’t have true faith because you weren’t a Calvinist? Or you were just a Christian by name only and not a true follower? I’ve been reading some things about lordship salvation, but I’m confused.
also, what’s the explanation of why the disciples didn’t know that Jesus would die? Shouldn’t they have known because of Old Testament prophecies? I guess they were expecting Jesus to set up an earthly kingdom then?
Jtwarren said
What do you all say to people who think you didn’t have true faith because you weren’t a Calvinist? Or you were just a Christian by name only and not a true follower? I’ve been reading some things about lordship salvation, but I’m confused.
I say the road to hell is is paved with their skulls and those of their infants not a span long.
Jtwarren said
also, what’s the explanation of why the disciples didn’t know that Jesus would die? Shouldn’t they have known because of Old Testament prophecies? I guess they were expecting Jesus to set up an earthly kingdom then?
Who knows what they knew? We know Mark’s author introduces that notion in the canon, but his narrative is a polemic against Jesus’ inner circle.
Did Jesus know or even suspect such was his fate?
I mean I think Jesus said he came to die because when Peter told him not to speak about death he was like get way devil or what not. I know Bart believes a historical Jesus existed (correct me if I’m wrong). It’s difficult because if Jesus existed historically, could his teachings be real?
At least some of the teachings attributed to him might be real, even if there were no historical Jesus. But much effort has been expended trying to assert that there was no historical Jesus precisely with the hope of bringing down the whole religion of Christianity, as if a house of cards. The truth is very likely somewhere between the opposing views — where exactly that may be is the great question.
Jtwarren said
I mean I think Jesus said he came to die because when Peter told him not to speak about death he was like get way devil or what not. I know Bart believes a historical Jesus existed (correct me if I’m wrong). It’s difficult because if Jesus existed historically, could his teachings be real?
Yes. Ehrman thinks Jesus existed:
But there having been an historical Jesus doesn’t mean that the gospel stories about him are real.
The gospels are not historical documents or biographies.
They are theological documents.
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