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Did the Gospel writers and Paul intend for the scriptures to be interpreted literally, or were they telling metaphorical stories?
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CGrassa

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February 23, 2025 - 1:04 pm

Hello.

I purchased the Gold membership so that I could ask this specific question:

I have heard Bart state that the Apostles and Paul had unwavering conviction with really believing that they saw the resurrected Jesus.

At the same time, I have recently been reading books by Reza Aslan, where Reza discusses many of the same historical Jesus topics which Bart discusses (Jesus talked about the goal of overthrowing the oppressive Romans that were constraining the Jews), and that “the first shall be last and the last shall be first”, with respect to the Jews overthrowing the Romans.

However, where I am really struggling is that Reza (and other scholars, I’m sure) state that the miracle biblical stories were never meant to be taken literally (e.g., resurrection), and that they are metaphors and allegorical stories to communicate a deeper message. Trying to reconcile that logic with Bart’s statements that the Apostles and Paul truly believed they saw the resurrected Jesus.

Would be grateful for feedback. Thanks!

– CG

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Robert
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February 23, 2025 - 3:23 pm
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CGrassa

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March 1, 2025 - 3:46 pm

Greetings.

I have heard Bart state that the Apostles and Paul had unwavering conviction with really believing that they saw the resurrected Jesus.

At the same time, I have recently been reading books by Reza Aslan, where Reza discusses many of the same historical Jesus topics which Bart discusses (Jesus talked about the goal of overthrowing the oppressive Romans that were constraining the Jews), and that “the first shall be last and the last shall be first”, with respect to the Jews overthrowing the Romans.

However, where I am really struggling is that Reza (and other scholars, I’m sure) state that the miracle biblical stories were never meant to be taken literally (e.g., resurrection), and that they are metaphors and allegorical stories to communicate a deeper message. Trying to reconcile that logic with Bart’s statements that the Apostles and Paul truly believed they saw the resurrected Jesus.

Would be grateful for feedback. Thanks!

– CG

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Robert
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March 1, 2025 - 3:57 pm
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CGrassa

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March 1, 2025 - 6:59 pm

Yes, it is. I did not get much response activity on that one, so figured I would try to rephrase the subject line of the query, to be honest with you.

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Robert
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March 1, 2025 - 7:46 pm
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CGrassa

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March 1, 2025 - 8:00 pm

Sounds great. Thanks!

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Jill_L

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March 2, 2025 - 6:46 am

Hi CGrassa,
The Jewish philosopher,Spinoza thought that miracles were actual occurrence of nature that were not fully understood and so we’re simply described as miracles. Inexplicable occurrences in nature. That probably would better fit a resurrected Christ?

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Stephen
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March 2, 2025 - 9:57 am

…the miracle biblical stories were never meant to be taken literally (e.g., resurrection), and that they are metaphors and allegorical stories to communicate a deeper message.

The issue of motivation is difficult with these ancient authors since we have no access to them. We don’t even know who the authors of the gospels were. We are forced to take these writings at face value. What I mean by that is we are forced to assume the authors are communicating exactly what they intended to communicate. If there was some duplicity involved we have no way of ever knowing.

Paul seems like a perfectly honest religious fanatic to me. He had visions. He’s trying to interpret his experience.

The gospels are sophisticated creative literary works. I think they are a sort of theologized narrative perfectly consistent with the style and literary habits of their day.

Aslan’s view rests on a misunderstanding. As moderns we view “literal” and “figurative” as discrete, even antagonistic categories. The ancients didn’t think this way. For them reality functioned on multiple levels. They told stories. Reality could be interpreted like a story.

A good example is from Paul’s letter to the Romans about the First Adam and the Second (Christ). Paul clearly believes that Adam was a real human being. His argument doesn’t make sense otherwise. Yet he also believes Adam was a “type” of Christ. So I suspect if you asked him whether his comments about Adam were meant literally or figuratively Paul might not have understood the question. Or would have said, “Yes” to both.

I think Mark believed in the reality of the Resurrection. But his gospel is a creative interpretation of the Resurrection.

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Colin Milton

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March 6, 2025 - 8:34 pm

As being the limitation of logic and reasoning of the human mind that Jesus had fulfilled the books of the Law and Prophets.

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Colin Milton

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March 8, 2025 - 6:53 am

λογος

5. a tale, story, opposed both to mere fable (μυθος) and to regular history (ιστορια)

εργον

4. in Attic often opposed to λογος

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