Did the Romans Help Create the Jesus’ Movement? Platinum Guest Post by Ryan Fleming (8/22/2022)
As early as Pontius Pilate.
Why?
Because Pilate wanted the people that he governed to pay taxes.
The tax revolt was in year 6 C.E.
Roman Administration of Judaea:
Coponius 6-9
Marcus Ambivulus 9-12
Annius Rufus 12-15
Valerius Gratus 15-26
Pilate 26-36
All to culminate in Jesus saying, Give to Caesar what is his and Give to God what is His. (Mark 12: 17)
When we turn to Galilee right before Jesus of Galilee
lost the land and sea battle of Galilee to Rome (67 C.E.),
opposition to Jesus of Gamala, Galilee, did not include a reference to Jesus of Galilee, 27 – 33 CE (we will pay our taxes as Jesus taught decades earlier; Vespasian, do not count us as rebels, Agrippa II, tell Vespasian, we remember the good Jesus from decades earlier, not the Jesus of Galilee of today who wants to defy the Roman Empire).
Ryan Fleming, I am not convinced.
Steve Campbell, author of Historical Accuracy
Did Jesus Collaborate with the Romans to Produce His Movement? Platinum Guest Post by Ryan Fleming (8/26/2022)
The integrity of Jesus’ theology is highly questionable with the picture you paint of him. You do not see something dishonest about Jesus with the picture you paint of him?
What happened to Jesus, say, two to 40 years after this staged crucifixion? He abandoned his mother and brother, James? He went to Rome, changed his name and appearance and got paid off? Judas got paid off.
Let’s say Jesus did not taste death before the stated Jewish Son of Man came in all of his glory. Why would a Jewish Son of Man come in all of his glory before some would not taste death within 40 years *when* Jesus had delivered the Parable of the Wicked Tenants?
Pilate recruited Jesus from Galilee? The ploy was in operation in Galilee? John the Baptist was in on it when he baptized Jesus, in the Bible?
Unconvinced.
Steve Campbell, author of Historical Accuracy
Ryan Fleming
I believe John the Baptist was part of the Roman attempts at subverting Jewish resistance. There were two primary ways people in a conquered province could be productive subjects to the Roman Empire; (1) pay taxes to Rome and (2) serve in the fielded Roman armies. Rome employed a unique and highly successful policy of enlisting men from the conquered provinces to serve in their fielded armies.
John the Baptist is documented as having baptized men from two professions: tax collectors and soldiers. These were public exhibitions, which provided an acceptant light towards the named professions. John professes that the proper behavior for a tax collector is to collect no more than the appointed amount. This implies that the appointed amount is legitimate and proper. As for soldiers, John professes, “Rob no one by violence or by false accusation, and be content with your wages.” Having soldiers be content with their wages has obvious advantages to Rome. In these public baptisms, when a tax collector and a soldier asked what was needed for righteousness, John did not tell them to stop practicing their professions. Instead, he instructed them in ways conducive to Roman rule.
Ryan Fleming
There would have been dishonesty in John the Baptist and Jesus as collaborators with Roman authority. There are countless examples of dishonesty in religious figures (and non-religious figures), even today, who bilk followers out of lots of money. In our modern-day ease of information, many of these dishonest figures become exposed. However, for everyone that gets exposed, there are probably many more who get away with it.
As for Jesus in his life after the crucifixion, Pontius Pilate would have kept him around until he felt Jesus was a liability. I never claimed Pontius Pilate was a nice person.
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