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MikeV2020

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October 1, 2022 - 1:49 pm

I have been reading snippets that supposedly suggest that civilizations other than ours have existed on earth in the far distant time (230 million yo boot prints, an underground nuclear reactor that was in use for 300 million years, an so on). 

Has anyone read such claims? If so, your opinion on their validity? If true, their implications on our civilization and religion?

Mike

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October 1, 2022 - 4:04 pm
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Porphyry

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October 1, 2022 - 4:22 pm

What evidence do these snippets cite to support the claim that there was complex civilization during the Triassic? 

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MikeV2020

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October 2, 2022 - 9:02 pm

I do not know. Here is an example of things floating around:

 

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Stephen
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October 2, 2022 - 9:18 pm

Porphyry you get bonus points for knowing 230 million years ago was the Triassic.  Obviously you’re part of the coverup.  H P Lovecraft claimed there is a pre-Cambrian metropolis in Antarctica.  He also claimed there is a mountain range higher than the Himalayas.  That would mean GPS images are being systematically altered.   Where does the truth lie?  Sounds like a job for the Internet.

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October 2, 2022 - 9:22 pm

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CEJ

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October 2, 2022 - 10:37 pm

The trilobite is a genuine fossil.  The “footprint” is the consequence of spalling.  It is a natural formation that merely resembles a footprint.  So say the experts.

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October 3, 2022 - 10:09 am

Be careful, the alternative is people producing the”first” footprints that are only 6000 years old possibly asserting that they are Adams.

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CEJ

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October 3, 2022 - 3:00 pm

2380 said
Be careful, the alternative is people producing the”first” footprints that are only 6000 years old possibly asserting that they are Adams.

  

Pfft.  That is usually what folks are promoting when they point to artifacts such as this one and others like the “London hammer”.  They aren’t interested in a hundred million year-old record but a few thousand year-old one.

Yet, in truth, such artifacts don’t represent any such binary choice.

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October 4, 2022 - 3:38 pm

MikeV2020 said
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Bootprints are neat, but I really want to know what evidence they have for underground nuclear reactors that were in use for 300 million years. 

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CEJ

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October 5, 2022 - 8:21 pm

Porphyry said

MikeV2020 said

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Bootprints are neat, but I really want to know what evidence they have for underground nuclear reactors that were in use for 300 million years. 

  

And I wanna know if extraterrestrials were involved.

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October 5, 2022 - 11:03 pm

And I wanna know if extraterrestrials were involved.

My favorite explanation for UFOs (or whatever we’re calling them this week) is that they’re airy fauna whose normal habitat is the upper atmosphere which (who?) are forced down to lower levels by occasional aleatory meteorological phenomena.  I have to confess I admire this view at least partly because the alien spacecraft believers seem to find it so annoying.  

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October 6, 2022 - 8:49 am

I was too curious so I did some digging on my own. 

First I found this: ** you do not have permission to see this link **

They discovered a vein of Uranium ore that seems to have undergone natural self-sustaining fission–btw, that this could happen had been predicted years earliers. 

Then I found this (see nu. 14) ** you do not have permission to see this link **

This suggests, enigmatically, that the explanation offered in the first article doesn’t work. 

The snippet says that big wig scientist Glenn T. Seaborg “believes it wasn’t a natural phenomenon, and thus must be a man-made nuclear reactor.” (no citation of course.) As far as I can tell, he was initially skeptical that the vein could have undergone natural sustained fission, but an initial skepticism at the thesis is a long way from endorsing the idea that it was an artificial reactor built millions of years ago. 

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October 6, 2022 - 9:29 am

Stephen said
And I wanna know if extraterrestrials were involved.

My favorite explanation for UFOs (or whatever we’re calling them this week) is that they’re airy fauna whose normal habitat is the upper atmosphere which (who?) are forced down to lower levels by occasional aleatory meteorological phenomena.  I have to confess I admire this view at least partly because the alien spacecraft believers seem to find it so annoying.  

  

Stephen,

In all seriousness, I wonder if you have heard of Lightning associated things called sprites, elves, and jets. They are electric arcs which go from cloud toward outer space and have been photographed in the last 50 years. Rarely they can be seen from a high place during really violent thunderstorms. I sometimes wonder if this is what Paul actually saw but highly doubt it.

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CEJ

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October 6, 2022 - 2:04 pm

Porphyry said
I was too curious so I did some digging on my own. 

First I found this: ** you do not have permission to see this link **

They discovered a vein of Uranium ore that seems to have undergone natural self-sustaining fission–btw, that this could happen had been predicted years earliers. 

Then I found this (see nu. 14) ** you do not have permission to see this link **

This suggests, enigmatically, that the explanation offered in the first article doesn’t work. 

The snippet says that big wig scientist Glenn T. Seaborg “believes C (no citation of course.) As far as I can tell, he was initially skeptical that the vein could have undergone natural sustained fission, but an initial skepticism at the thesis is a long way from endorsing the idea that it was an artificial reactor built millions of years ago. 

  

Seaborg told the New York Times the ore was “puzzling”. 

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He never said anything like he “believes it wasn’t a natural phenomenon, and thus must be a man-made nuclear reactor”.

But you know who used those **exact** words about Seaborg?

Well, that would be Mohammed Hakim in his goofy book, The Extra-terrestrial Glossary, p. 453 (2022).

Of course Hakim had no cite for his claim either.

Seaborg was a gifted scientist and a humble man who would shared his time freely with all comers.

He should be allowed to rest in peace without nitwits tagging him with such nonsense.

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Porphyry

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October 7, 2022 - 9:36 am

CEJ said

Porphyry said

I was too curious so I did some digging on my own. 

First I found this: ** you do not have permission to see this link **

They discovered a vein of Uranium ore that seems to have undergone natural self-sustaining fission–btw, that this could happen had been predicted years earliers. 

Then I found this (see nu. 14) ** you do not have permission to see this link **

This suggests, enigmatically, that the explanation offered in the first article doesn’t work. 

The snippet says that big wig scientist Glenn T. Seaborg “believes C (no citation of course.) As far as I can tell, he was initially skeptical that the vein could have undergone natural sustained fission, but an initial skepticism at the thesis is a long way from endorsing the idea that it was an artificial reactor built millions of years ago. 

  

Seaborg told the New York Times the ore was “puzzling”. 

** you do not have permission to see this link **

He never said anything like he “believes it wasn’t a natural phenomenon, and thus must be a man-made nuclear reactor”.

But you know who used those **exact** words about Seaborg?

Well, that would be Mohammed Hakim in his goofy book, The Extra-terrestrial Glossary, p. 453 (2022).

Of course Hakim had no cite for his claim either.

Seaborg was a gifted scientist and a humble man who would shared his time freely with all comers.

He should be allowed to rest in peace without nitwits tagging him with such nonsense.

  

Nice work finding the NYT article. 

The quotation from Hakim’s book seems not to be the origin: The webpage I shared appeared with that language back in Oct. 2020; given that the book was published in 2022, it seems like the webpage must either be the source of the quotation or share an earlier source with Hakim. 

Also, I did not expect to start doing source criticism of nutty theories. 

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MikeV2020

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October 7, 2022 - 2:29 pm

Thank you one and all. If one cannot believe in the validity of prior civilizations, then what is left? Earth used to be the center of the universe and then they spoiled that. I look forward to death so I can learn the truth of it all. 

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October 7, 2022 - 2:42 pm

Porphyry said

CEJ said

Porphyry said

I was too curious so I did some digging on my own. 

First I found this: ** you do not have permission to see this link **

They discovered a vein of Uranium ore that seems to have undergone natural self-sustaining fission–btw, that this could happen had been predicted years earliers. 

Then I found this (see nu. 14) ** you do not have permission to see this link **

This suggests, enigmatically, that the explanation offered in the first article doesn’t work. 

The snippet says that big wig scientist Glenn T. Seaborg “believes C (no citation of course.) As far as I can tell, he was initially skeptical that the vein could have undergone natural sustained fission, but an initial skepticism at the thesis is a long way from endorsing the idea that it was an artificial reactor built millions of years ago. 

  

Seaborg told the New York Times the ore was “puzzling”. 

** you do not have permission to see this link **

He never said anything like he “believes it wasn’t a natural phenomenon, and thus must be a man-made nuclear reactor”.

But you know who used those **exact** words about Seaborg?

Well, that would be Mohammed Hakim in his goofy book, The Extra-terrestrial Glossary, p. 453 (2022).

Of course Hakim had no cite for his claim either.

Seaborg was a gifted scientist and a humble man who would shared his time freely with all comers.

He should be allowed to rest in peace without nitwits tagging him with such nonsense.

  

Nice work finding the NYT article. 

The quotation from Hakim’s book seems not to be the origin: The webpage I shared appeared with that language back in Oct. 2020; given that the book was published in 2022, it seems like the webpage must either be the source of the quotation or share an earlier source with Hakim. 

Also, I did not expect to start doing source criticism of nutty theories. 

  

Crap.  Who’s pilfering from whom? 

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October 7, 2022 - 2:44 pm

MikeV2020 said
Thank you one and all. If one cannot believe in the validity of prior civilizations, then what is left? Earth used to be the center of the universe and then they spoiled that. I look forward to death so I can learn the truth of it all. 

  

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October 7, 2022 - 5:23 pm

MikeV2020 said
Thank you one and all. If one cannot believe in the validity of prior civilizations, then what is left? Earth used to be the center of the universe and then they spoiled that. I look forward to death so I can learn the truth of it all. 

  

I think we just got trolled. 

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