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But it is not just the Latin Mass that is being stopped.
It’s a violation of spiritual intimacy, what people do in their privacy of prayer.
The Latin Mass nourished the saints.
Latin Mass Liturgy – focus on Jesus Christ, recalling Jesus and being present with Jesus Christ as he set out to save the world.
Post-Latin Mass Liturgy (liturgical modernization) – for modern man,
80% of Christians do not believe in the real presence of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist.
Their is a desire to eliminate the supernatural, the level of the Divine, of the Holy, the Transcendent–transcending incarnate human to the existence of the Land of the Discarnate Humans (the land of Good ancestors, not evil ancestors).
This desire comes from the secular community.
Then you have a society not concerned with being born into the world of the discarnate where there is victory over the death of the incarnate world.
Secular Notion of God – the Sun that gives life to the Earth and in the distant future will die, and in doing so will destroy (bring death) to Earth.
In actuality, god is beyond the Sun, given astrological research. We can speak of local stars having influence on our lives. I habitually speak of the galaxy as god since the levels are Solar System then Galaxy.
Transcendent Notion of God – god of material existence and transcendent existence (which captures the notion of reincarnation–the secular notion of god does not capture the notion of reincarnation)
Don’t let secularists tell you, rob you of your elder years, your years post-death, your years in the discarnate world where you can look on the incarnate world where those you left behind still toil here, sorrow here, and have joy here.
God as the Sun would mean God was born in a star nursery called a nebula.
There are five types of cloudy or nebulous objects in the sky: planetary nebulae, emission nebulae, reflection nebulae, dark nebulae and supernova remnants.
How stars are actually born–how gods of solar systems are actually born:
There is a desire to eliminate the supernatural, the level of the Divine, of the Holy, the Transcendent–transcending incarnate human to the existence of the Land of the Discarnate Humans (the land of Good ancestors, not evil ancestors).
There has been an effort to de-supernaturalize the church–and a significant amount of human dignity is lost when that is done.
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Steefen said
SJB said
Servile credulity robs us of our dignity. Superstition debases. The proper response to this astounding universe is not worship but curiosity.
No gratitude: curiosity.
Then what? Gratitude?
No, understanding!
Grace never comes to mind to ingrates.
A person who has grace has more dignity that a person who does not have grace.
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Grace never comes to mind to ingrates.I am properly grateful to the laws of physics that conspired over untold billions of years to produce me, a transient flicker in the darkness.
You need to be grateful of ancestors first instead of thinking you are secular and scientific.
Reducing your ancestors to Physics without Biology is erroneous.
More important, you should read Infinite Mind by Valerie V. Hunt and Journey of Souls by Michael Newton.
Do not be surprised if I ignore further comments about this from you until you have done so.
Steefen said
SJB said
Grace never comes to mind to ingrates.
I am properly grateful to the laws of physics that conspired over untold billions of years to produce me, a transient flicker in the darkness.
You need to be grateful of ancestors first instead of thinking you are secular and scientific.
Reducing your ancestors to Physics without Biology is erroneous.
More important, you should read Infinite Mind by Valerie V. Hunt and Journey of Souls by Michael Newton.
Do not be surprised if I ignore further comments about this from you until you have done so.
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Thinking Fast and Slow – I will not read this book. I am a professional playwright, nonfiction book writer, and a stock and cryptocurrency investing course creator and instructor, debate judge and argumentation specialist. The book description and the table of contents is not valuable to me, at this time.
The Edge of Reason: A Rational Skeptic in an Irrational World – This book also is not valuable to me at this time.
After this
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it is an insult to suggest the books you suggested. I do not see the need.
In fact, Argumentation: The Study of Effective Reasoning, 2nd Edition is probably the best course available at The Great Courses.
There may be a title that is interesting but that course is not rated 4 stars or more.
it is an insult to suggest the books you suggested. I do not see the need.
Interesting response since I was not insulted when you presented me with your muddled pseudoscience. The need is to think clearly.
Here’s how it works Steefen. Humans build up a story that accommodates our sensory input. Then we spend the rest of our time accepting sensory signals that confirm our story and excluding sensory signals that conflict with it. We do this even when it’s pointed out to us that we’re doing it. (Not a bug but a feature of our evolutionary programming.) While there is no way to not do this there are ways to mitigate the worst effects. One of the most important is to consciously seek out differing points of view. Listen to the folks who disagree with you* because they’re the ones you can be guaranteed are allowing in sensory signals that you are screening out. For example, I regularly read a conservative Roman Catholic magazine and watch the YouTube videos of a prominent Calvinist apologist. Now the chances that I will become a Roman Catholic or a Calvinist are a very low order of probability but at the very least I understand what they really believe rather than what I’m told they believe. And it’s very illuminating to hear someone outside your frame of reference articulate their views of your thinking. That is why I would tend to be open to books like the ones you recommended. Precisely because I naturally find their point of view absurd.
What about you Steefen? Ever wonder how someone presented with the same facts as you can come up with a radically different point of view than your own?
*Needless to point out perhaps that our media saturated culture rewards us when we only pay attention to those who already agree with us. The infamous YouTube ‘recommendations’ algorithm is predicated on just this state of affairs. Watch a video about cute puppies and see what happens.
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Pope Paul VI Audience Hall in Vatican City
Commissioned by Pope Paul VI in 1963, the Papal Audience Hall in Vatican City was inaugurated in 1971.
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Why does the Paul VI Audience Hall (in Rome/Vatican City) look like a serpent?
And what does this say about the intentions of the Catholic Church?
Howard Jackson
There is no misinterpretation of the pictures due to use of a fisheye lens. There are multiple pictures of the hall from multiple angles and multiple videos and each time it looks the same. No level of fisheye distortion, as there is in this picture, changes the fact that you’re looking at a snake/reptilian head with two large eyes, reptilian skin and a mouth with two large fangs. The hall leading from the stage is curved and even looks like a snake’s tongue. From the Pope’s vantage point to the audience, it is a similar look except the mouth has multiple teeth. In none of the other pictures that I’ve seen is there any distortion of the audience or the pope do to a fisheye lens effect. Even the outside of the building is designed to look like a snake head. The architecture of this building is completely different from all other Vatican buildings.
Why? It is different down to the tile used on the outside to give a reptilian skin appearance. Furthermore there are no other traditional Christian symbols in the hall. There are absolutely no crucifixes. Behind the pope is an art piece that is supposed to represent Jesus being resurrected from a nuclear explosion! It is equally as ghoulish as the snake hall, and also has depictions of reptiles / snakes within the relief.
As to why they did it, well there are multiple theories. Common sense woud suggest that they wanted to congregate at an altar dedicated to the snake. Let’s just say the reason why would never be accepted by the people who can’t see the snake, plainly staring at them in the face.
Laurie Loader
The builders of the chapel aren’t Catholic but the head of the Catholic church uses the building to “lead all souls to Christ”? If I remember right the serpent beguiled Eve (lead her astray). The serpent is symbolism for Devil, Lucifer, Satan. Why on earth would a righteous leader tolerate such a place to deliver their Christlike instruction/sermon? Sounds incongruent to me.
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Well, what do you think, Steefen?
Steve Campbell, Author of Historical Accuracy
The Latin Mass nourished the saints.
A Vatican audience hall with traditional Christian symbols nourished the saints.
This is clearly reptilian symbolism. The Catholic Church has put forth reptilian symbolism for consideration and is discouraging the Latin Mass that nourished the saints. The appearance of Jesus in this hall seems to be a Jesus not doing well in a nuclear holocaust.
Jesus did not do well in the Tribulation (Jewish Civil War and Jewish Revolt against Rome) of his apocalyptic prophecy: he did not stop it and the only Son of Man that appeared after his Tribulation was a son of Man/Earth/Gaia, a son of Gaius (Julius Caesar and Augustus Caesar). Who were the Father and the Son: Julius Caesar and Divi Filius (Divine Son), Augustus Caesar? Vespasian and Titus were Father and Son.
Departure from traditional Christianity. Is it secularism or is it reptilianism or both?
Christianity will have to separate itself from reptilianism.
Secularism will have to separate itself from reptilianism.
Reptilianism has slithered itself up to Christianity and secularism.
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Other than David Icke, who else knows about reptilians?
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Dr. Michael Salla is an internationally recognized scholar in international politics, conflict resolution and U.S. foreign policy.
He has held academic appointments in the School of International Service & the Center for Global Peace, American University, Washington DC (1996-2004); the Department of Political Science, Australian National University, Canberra, Australia (1994-96); and the Elliott School of International Affairs, George Washington University, Washington D.C., (2002).
He has a Ph.D. in Government from the University of Queensland, Australia. During his academic career he was author/editor of four books. He has conducted research and fieldwork in ethnic conflicts involving East Timor, Kosovo, Macedonia, and Sri Lanka. He has been awarded significant financial grants from the United States Institute of Peace and the Ford Foundation for peacemaking initiatives involving mid-to-high level participants from the East Timor conflict.
Dr. Salla is more popularly known as a pioneer in the development of ‘exopolitics’, the study of the main actors, institutions and political processes associated with extraterrestrial life.
He wrote the first published book on ‘exopolitics’ in 2004, and followed this with another examining exopolitics and US Foreign Policy in 2009. He authored Galactic Diplomacy in 2013; and this was followed by Kennedy’s Last Stand (2013), which investigated the relationship between classified UFOs and the Kennedy Assassination.
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I might read his book
Insiders Reveal Secret Space Programs & Extraterrestrial Alliances (Volume 1) Paperback – September 2, 2015
I might read his book
Rise of the Red Dragon: Origins & Threat of China’s Secret Space Program (Secret Space Programs) Paperback – April 19, 2020
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Both of them have more than 150 ratings averaging better than 4 stars.
A reptile got into Eve’s head.
A reptile has gotten into Catholicism/Christianity, institution for the Bible.
A reptile of Secularism has gotten into Catholicism/Christianity and Western Civilization at-large.
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