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The Bible's Notion of God is Wrong
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Stephen
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October 14, 2021 - 5:10 pm

The Electronic Universe camp and the Inflation camp have explained why this is so.

No the Electric universe “camp” has merely asserted that it is so.  They have made no falsifiable predictions.  The Electric universe does not qualify as a scientific hypothesis.  

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October 15, 2021 - 1:24 pm

Electromagnetism is one of the four fundamental forces in the universe.
It is highly unlikely that electromagnetism in space is pseudoscience.

To use gravity without electromagnetism in cosmology
or to insufficiently use electromagnetism in cosmology
is science that misses the mark.

To use electromagnetism without gravity in cosmology
or to insufficiently use gravity in cosmology
is science that misses the mark.

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The Electric Universe Theory
Peer reviewed papers

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Peer reviewed papers

  • ** you do not have permission to see this link **” by Thornhill, W., in IEEE Transactions on Plasma Science, Aug. 2007, Vol. 35, Issue: 4, page(s): 832 – 844
  • ** you do not have permission to see this link **“, Ransom, C.J. Thornhill, W., IEEE Transactions on Plasma Science. Issue Date: Aug. 2007, Vol.35, Issue:4, page(s): 828 – 831

IEEE stands for the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers

Peer reviewed articles in IEEE publications clashes with the erroneous claim that EU Theory is pseudoscience.

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October 15, 2021 - 1:43 pm

 In the beginning when God created[** you do not have permission to see this link **] swept over the face of the waters. Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light. And God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness. God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.

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The heavens and the earth were not created in the same time period.
The heavens from the view of Earth are not of the same age as Earth.
The stars in the heavens are not the same age as Earth.

Explain how something can be a formless void.

How can there be darkness when there are stars in space before the creation of Earth?

Stars in space before the creation of Earth means there was light in the heavens.

Light in the day and darkness at night refers to an Earth-perspective.
The light in the day comes from the Sun.

Let there be light means Let there be the Sun. Genesis is saying God created the Sun, a star.
There are 100 thousand million stars in the Milky Way galaxy alone.

Steve Campbell
Author of Historical Accuracy
Active Member of Professor Bart Ehrman’s blog (ehrmanblog.org) from 2013 to 2021 (Ehrman authored the bestselling book: Jesus, Interrupted.)

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October 16, 2021 - 3:11 pm

Ethan Siegel, Ph.D., Theoretical Astrophysicist and Science Writer
The original notion of the hot Big Bang, where the universe emerged from an infinitely hot, dense, and small singularity — and has been expanding and cooling, full of matter and radiation ever since — is incorrect. …

We can no longer speak with any sort of knowledge or confidence as to whether the universe itself began.

Steefen
So, there is agnosticism about the Creation of the universe.
But, Genesis is not about the universe, Genesis is about the Earth’s Solar System.
Does God create Z pinches?

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JAS

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October 16, 2021 - 5:22 pm

Over tea the other day God told me that the Bible’s notion of him isn’t all that bad — or, rather, I said it . . . and he did not disagree.

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October 19, 2021 - 10:11 pm

In the beginning when God created the heavens and the earth, the earth was a formless void and darkness covered the face of the deep, while a wind from God swept over the face of the waters. Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light. And God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness. God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.

A wind from God?  That’s probably a technically correct translation but it’s also flat and redolent of a tin ear.   Possibly an awry attempt to rightly avoid a veneer of Nicaean Trinitarianism?    It’s not fair to do this but –

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.  And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.  And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.  And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.  And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

There are indeed passages where I would prefer other translations to the KJV but not here. 

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October 25, 2021 - 11:40 pm

Steefen
Electromagnetism is one of the four fundamental forces in the universe.

To use gravity without electromagnetism in cosmology
or to insufficiently use electromagnetism in cosmology
is science that misses the mark.

To use electromagnetism without gravity in cosmology
or to insufficiently use gravity in cosmology
is science that misses the mark.

Steefen (improved wording, speaking to an Electric Universe proponent)
Electromagnetism is one of the four fundamental forces in the universe.
To use gravity without electromagnetism in cosmology
or to insufficiently use electromagnetism in cosmology
is science that misses the mark.

Gravity is one of the four fundamental forces in the universe.
To use electromagnetism without gravity in cosmology
or to insufficiently use gravity in cosmology
is science that misses the mark.
 
Probably the same with strong and weak nuclear forces.
 
(Let’s see what the reply from the EU camp is going to be. I will let you know.
Jordan B. Peterson seems to have destroyed atheism in his field of Psychology,
but God is NOT one of the four forces.)
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October 26, 2021 - 7:02 am

The most powerful force in the universe is inertia.

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October 26, 2021 - 1:08 pm

Collaboration & Science

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October 26, 2021 - 1:49 pm

History of the Gaseous Sun with Dr. Robitaille

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Steefen
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October 26, 2021 - 1:50 pm

Is the Sun a Gas? The Standard Solar Model Explained!

 

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Steefen
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October 26, 2021 - 1:52 pm

Remember: And God Created Light (for the days–versus nights–on Earth)

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Stephen
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October 26, 2021 - 5:39 pm

The stars are ** you do not have permission to see this link **.

And like all divinities they have their ** you do not have permission to see this link **.

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May 24, 2022 - 9:23 pm

Job Chapter 38, Verse 7

…while the morning stars sang together and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

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