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That screams 1) false notion of god and false theology and 2) false apocalypticism and false prophet. How much of that did not happen? 100% did not happen.
Is it a nice example of humanity’s highest aspirations? Probably.
Is it a mixture of hope and opium, hopium? Yes.
Look forward to the day when God rights all that is wrong with this world.
Keep looking and when you do not see (and you will not see), keep hoping.
“God is going to fix it. Jesus is going to fix it.”
Yes, we want problems solved, we want broken things fixed.
It is immoral (a sin) to get people addicted to falsehoods.
And keep corruption out of the fixing processes.
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I read this post thinking I would find a rock, a boulder, solid ground.
Nothing related to apocalyptic prophecy is of value and cannot be the heart of Jesus’ message.
To speak of the heart of Jesus’ message is to speak of content that can retain its value.
Blessed are those who mourn for they should be comforted.
Humans can do that.
Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness for they are Heaven owners.
Humans can see that.
QUESTION: Yes Bart? Not unfulfilled prophecy but classic sayings?
Steve Campbell, author of Historical Accuracy
mwbaugh
I struggle with your premise that Jesus was a failed apocalyptic prophet. I know I’m biased, but it seems to depend on scanty evidence. I’m reading the Apocalyptic Jesus: a Debate with Dale Allison, Marcus Borg, John Dominic Crossan and Stephen Patterson (who was one of my professors at Eden). Is there something else I can read to understand your position better?
Bart D.E.
It’s a view that Allison strongly agrees with. … The apocalyptic view can be found in the writings of Dale Allison, Paula Fredriksen, E. P. Sanders and so on. You might start with Dale’s book, Jesus Millenarian Prophet.
Steve Campbell, Author of Historical Accuracy
mwbaugh,
You struggle with the idea Jesus was a failed apocalyptic prophet?
Please explain in light of
1) scholars take away Jesus’ ability to be a prophet about the Tribulation (Destruction of the Temple and Armies Surrounding Jerusalem) by dating the gospels after that Tribulation happened.
2) Apocalypse is Tribulation followed by Judgment and Glorious Kingdom ruled by the Son of Man. With your position, Jesus was not a failed apocalyptic prophet, give evidence and line of reasoning that there was a judgment and glorious kingdom that immediately followed upon the Temple destruction tribulation.
BDEhrman
FreedomBen
evgendob
Robert
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