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Were Gods even real in historical antiquity?
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MicahLayne

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June 3, 2025 - 7:16 am

@Stephen: This doctrine rests on a view of human biology that we no longer share.

I may sound dense, but would you please clarify for me how our modern understanding of human biology differs from the time when the virgin birth was originally imagined? I understand why the virgin birth defies biology, of course, but that can’t be what you mean, because the whole point of the virgin birth was to substantiate Christ’s miraculous entry into the world. How was the interpretation different to the inventors than it is today? Is it that they knew they invented it and believers today do not think of it as an invention but as a fact?

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June 3, 2025 - 11:41 am

…clarify for me how our modern understanding of human biology differs from the time when the virgin birth was originally imagined?

Genetics. A child inherits approximately 50% of their chromosomes (one set of genes), from each parent. The chromosomes are made of DNA, our genetic “instructions”. The ancients, knowing nothing of genetics of course, believed that the woman was a more or less passive receptacle. All the magic was in the male jizz. If the father was a human then the child was a human. If the child was a god then the offspring was a demi-god.

The doctrine of the Virgin Birth becomes a bit strange when you consider the dependence of the child not just on the sheathing of the mother’s body but on her genetic makeup. And did God create an entire set of male genes out of thin air? We can say, It’s a miracle!, surely, but that’s not an explanation but the lack of one.

I suppose my larger point is that this doctrine could only have arisen in a world that possessed a certain set of assumptions about the human person that we no longer share.

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MicahLayne

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June 3, 2025 - 8:32 pm

@Stephen thank you! I’m pretty unlearned about genetics myself. Would you recommend Francis Collins as a good source? He led the human genome project in the 90s and until recently was the President of NIH.

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June 6, 2025 - 2:08 pm

I’m not sure how Collins reconciles his religious views with his scientific views. Perhaps he doesn’t think they need reconciliation. There are those who advocate ‘theistic evolution’. It’s simply impossible to deny the reality of evolution so one must give an accounting of some sort I would think.

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The problem for me is that by definition evolution is an unguided process. Also there are implications that spring from a God using evolution as a method of creation.

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