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What Is Most Important Since 2011 or even 2000 in Advances in Understanding the Bible?
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Steefen
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November 4, 2019 - 1:55 pm
What Is Most Important Since 2011 or even 2000 in Advances in Understanding the Bible?
Hi Bart,
I am writing the Preface to the second edition of my book from 2011. You have published much since then. I want to make sure I did not miss anything important. Since 2011, what major discovery or change has there been for scholars and for general audiences?
Since 2011, for me:
1) Old Testament – Seeing the archaeological evidence for Joseph at Avaris, in the Egyptian Delta in David Rohl’s book Exodus: Myth or History and the documentary Patterns of Evidence: Exodus
2) Old Testament – Learning Moses was from Avaris in the Egyptian Delta; his mother married a pharaoh south of the Delta whose name was identified by Artapanus in Praeparatio Evangelica by Eusebius as Chenephres a/k/a Sobekhotep IV.
 
3) New Testament – Reading the 2005 book, Jesus Was Caesar by Francesco Carotta and seeing his documentary The Gospel of Caesar on youtube posted by YouTube subscriber GodSpanker.
According to Carotta, the ultimate early Christian metamorphosis of the eastern Caesar-religion, which was to reinterpret the foundational cult of the Julian imperial dynasty with regard to the contested Palestine, was provoked by the new Flavian theopolitical ideology, which also induced the rewriting of the Vita of Vespasian’s court historian Flavius Josephus into the hagiography of Saint Paul in the second part of Acts.
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4) New Testament – Joseph Atwill saw the Testimonium Flavianum as part one of a literary triptych. In part one, Jesus rises on the third day because he is godly, but in part two, the savior of the world comes back on the third day to say he is not godly.

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So, the question is, since 2011, or even since 2000, what discoveries or changes have advanced our understanding the Old Testament and the New Testament (also, please toot your own horn)?
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November 5, 2019 - 1:14 pm

Not exactly earth shattering, but there seems to me a clear move to a later time for the creation of the Torah, or at least the ascendancy of the Torah to a legal document, including the idea that it was never more than propaganda. ITs now thought to be 4th or 3rd century BC before it was a stable document of history and legality with possible tendrils from much earlier. PEntatuech as Torah edited by Levinson and Knoppers.

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November 6, 2019 - 11:32 am

Bart

Yeah, I don’t have much of an opinion on 1 and 2, but 3 and 4 are not views I consider “scholarship”.

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Steefen
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November 6, 2019 - 11:34 am

That’s fine. What are the major discoveries or changes in scholarship?

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November 7, 2019 - 7:26 pm

Mr. View recently discovered that the Greek “graphe” is translated 52 times as “scripture” and 0 times as “writings.” Is that earth shattering enough for you? 

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November 8, 2019 - 3:47 pm

Steefen
metamorphosis: the process of transformation from an immature form to an adult form

Christianity is a reinterpretation of the foundational combined Father and Son cult of Julius Caesar and Caesar Augustus. This was provoked by Greek speaking, pro-Roman Jews victimized by 1) anti-Roman Jews who attacked and defeated the Roman military unit XII Fulminata then civil war broke out as various factions sought to self-govern; and 2) Roman retaliation against the zealotry.

The Romans and the pro-Roman Jewish intelligentsia who put down the Revolt had a theological-political ideology about this great war. Bart Ehrman, in From Jesus to Constantine, mentioned after exile, Jewish theology could no longer be simply, bad things happen to us because we are not devout enough. Then comes the Jewish Civil War and the First Jewish Roman War. The resulting despair led some Jews to seek refuge at the Temple, but they died in a Temple set on fire.

In the aftermath, under Roman victors, a theopolitical ideology took written form. The oral autobiography of Vespasian’s court historian Flavius Josephus was re-written into the hagiography of Saint Paul in the second part of Acts.

It was at Caesarea Philippi that Herod the Great built the Temple of Augustus (Augusteum) in 19 B.C. to honor his Caesar.

Martintee:
It is the most insane ridiculous proposition that Jesus is Julius Caesar.

Steefen:
This Temple to Augustus, this kowtowing of Pro-Roman support was done when Jews had not threatened Rome. Kowtowing to Rome after threatening Rome and self was more extreme than taking the form of architecture, it took the form of ideology, self-flagellating the theology of Temple Judaism itself: yes, our messiahs were put to death by you. In our insubordination, we brought starvation, cannibalism, and destruction of our own city and Temple. So we honor you, we take on Romanization by reinterpreting the Father and Son of the founders of your imperial civilization into the founding of Christianity. And as Virgil wrote the Aeneid honoring the founding of Imperial Rome, “Paul” wrote Romans.

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