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What Were the Politics of Jewish Governors of Judea and Queen Helena, especially as the Jewish Revolt Started?
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August 27, 2020 - 12:39 pm

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August 27, 2020 - 12:40 pm

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Hi Ralph. This is your old reader, Stephen “Steven” who corresponds with you sometimes. At ** you do not have permission to see this link ** I thought you were finally going to explain why Kenedeus and others of the Manu bloodline led the Jewish Revolt, but you do not provide that information. What did Rome do against the Queen Helena Palace, that court, to make them break neutrality? What was so egregious that the Palace could not get a delegation and go to Nero? Tacitus or anybody else gives any account of the Manu royalty at Judea approaching the governor of Syria, the Roman Senate, or the Roman Emperor about unacceptable conditions in Judea? When Jews had problems with Roman governors, they complained to Caesar. “Paul”escalated his issues to Caesar. The Temple Wall/Tower Affair was escalated to Rome. There are no accounts of joint emissaries being sent to Rome consisting of the Queen Helena Palace officials and Temple authorities (Palace and Judea) and there are no accounts of joint emissaries being sent to Rome consisting of the Queen Helena Palace officials and Herod Agrippa II (Palace and Galilee) going to the governor of Syria, the Roman Senate, or Nero.

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August 29, 2020 - 12:40 pm

I  think  the  definitive  text is still  Goodman’s  ** you do not have permission to see this link **.  

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August 29, 2020 - 8:43 pm

Stephen said
I  think  the  definitive  text is still  Goodman’s  ** you do not have permission to see this link **.    

Under what circumstances did you read this book?

I found “Adiabene, royal family of” in its index. There are pages but not a chapter.

Very valuable contribution to this thread. 

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August 30, 2020 - 3:09 pm

I wanted to  read what a historical critical scholar had to say about  the Jewish Revolt.  Goodman’s book is considered the classic of the field.  I’m not aware it has  been superseded.  I recommend it highly.  The First Revolt hovers behind  much of the writing in the New Testament.  It seems important to understand it’s nature.   

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September 8, 2020 - 7:54 pm

The book arrived.

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September 8, 2020 - 8:17 pm

No, this is not a new term for me given this book, but …

Euergetism (or evergetism, from the Greek εὐεργετέω, “doing good deeds”) was the ancient practice of high-status and wealthy individuals in society distributing part of their wealth to the community.

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There seems to be a philanthropy problem with the ruling class (the rich) of Judaea.

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54, 127, 162, 168, 194, 203 (index, Adiabene, royal family of)

The first two pages both discuss famine relief.

Hopefully, 162, 168, 194, and 203 will be pleasing to me.

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September 9, 2020 - 12:45 am

I do not have a question about why the rebels attacked the ruling class/the rich of Judaea.

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Nothing at page 162 that I did not already know.

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Moving on to page 168, I pick up at p. 167. There is something intriguing here.

 

To be continued …

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September 9, 2020 - 4:57 pm

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What Were the Politics of Jewish Governors of Judea and Queen Helena, especially as the Jewish Revolt Started?

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Of course, there were no Jewish governors of Judea or Galilee. Palace officials of Queen Helena’s palace would be lumped in with the ruling class of Judaea.

Agrippa II got out of town when the rebellion began.

 

The politics of the ruling class would have included trying to negotiate with Rome to avoid a revolt. Negotiations failed.

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