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Apocalypticism - Zealots from Essenes or Zealots from Pharisees; Apocalypticism from the Essenes or from the Pharisees?
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Steefen
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Josephus’ Jewish Antiquities states that there were three main Jewish sects at his time:

1) the Pharisees

2) the Sadducees, and

3) the Essenes.

The Zealots were a “fourth sect”, founded by Judas of Galilee (also called Judas of Gamala) in the year 6 CE against the Census of Quirinius, shortly after the Roman Empire declared what had most recently been the tetrarchy of Herod Archelaus to be a Roman province.

The Fourth Sect “agree in all other things with the Pharisaic notions; but they have an inviolable attachment to liberty, and say that God is to be their only Ruler and Lord.”
Antiquities 18.1.6

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So, Jesus has religious kinship with both the Essenes and the Pharisees by way of his apocalypticism?

Let this thread explore this question.

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So, Jesus has religious kinship with both the Essenes and the Pharisees by way of his apocalypticism?

Well  I  think  the  dominant  view  of  scholars  who accept  the  apocalyptic  interpretation  of  the  historical  Jesus is  that  there  was  a pool  of  common  ideas  which  all  these  groups  shared  while  exhibiting  individual  flavors  and  variations.    NT scholar ** you do not have permission to see this link **  sees  a  direct  relationship  between  John  the  Baptist and  the  Essene  community.    This  is an  old  idea  which waxes  and  wanes  in  favor.  Prof  Marcus  makes  an  interesting  case  but  it  is  speculation.  

The  controversies  recorded  in  the  gospels  between  Jesus  and  the  Pharisees  are  probably  informed  by  contemporary  controversies  but  there  is  no  reason  to  think  the  historical  Jesus  wouldn’t  have  been  involved  in  the  arguments  among  Jews  of  his  own  day. 

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A Random Word Document from the University of Cincinnati
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Jesus, the Pharisees, and the Zealots believed in an afterlife.

Now, did the Essenes believe in an afterlife or did they only believe in apocalypticism?

Did the Pharisees believe in apocalypticism?

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