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Creation - Solar System. The Bible Is Wrong (Genesis 1: 2-5), Science is Right
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Colin Milton

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November 17, 2024 - 10:09 am

@Steefen

Is there a reason why the Samaritans are not called Sumerians?

The Sumerians who invented the plow, and Isaiah 2:4. Perhaps the passage is referring to an event that had already happened when they invented plows.

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Steefen
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November 17, 2024 - 1:23 pm

Did you check a dictionary?

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Colin Milton

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November 17, 2024 - 1:56 pm

Not yet,

I’m working on my Relativity is a bunch of crap theory.

If space can curve then sound can travel through the fabric of space. Science says sound does not exist in space, therefore space does not curve and it’s all a bunch of crap.

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Colin Milton

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November 17, 2024 - 2:47 pm

Space can curve but it’s not made of atoms and not matter. Sounds like a bunch of crap.

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Colin Milton

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November 17, 2024 - 6:24 pm

Space is matter. It is matter that has no energy because it’s not moving at all. Because it’s not moving it has no mass, it’s an absolute static matter. It has no mass to support something moving, it doesn’t curve it gets pushed out of the way like the air.

It’s all a bunch of crap to make people think that space is “nothingness” so they begin to contemplate that “something can come from nothing.” It’s impossible.

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Steefen
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November 21, 2024 - 11:28 pm

Correction:
Google AI and ChatGPT4 disagrees: our Sun is not alien, it was not originally part of any other galaxy but the Milky Way galaxy.

I commented on the video to this effect.

Some Details:

Chat said:when asked:
Is the Sun from the Sagittarius dwarf galaxy?

The Sun is not from the Sagittarius Dwarf Galaxy. It is a native star of the Milky Way Galaxy. However, the question often arises because of the intriguing interaction between the Milky Way and the Sagittarius Dwarf Spheroidal Galaxy (Sagittarius dSph).

The Sagittarius dSph is a small satellite galaxy of the Milky Way that has been tidally disrupted as it orbits our galaxy. Over billions of years, it has deposited stars and other material into the Milky Way, contributing to its structure and possibly influencing its dynamics. Some stars in the Milky Way’s halo and disk are thought to have originated from the Sagittarius dSph, but the Sun, which is located in the Milky Way’s thin disk, is not one of them.

Evidence strongly supports that the Sun formed in the Milky Way’s disk around 4.6 billion years ago, long after the Milky Way had absorbed or begun disrupting smaller galaxies like the Sagittarius dSph. The Sun’s chemical composition, orbit, and position are all consistent with stars native to the Milky Way.

Google AI said when asked:
Why do some scientists say our Sun was part of the Sagittarius dwarf galaxy?

Some scientists theorize that our Sun may have originated from the Sagittarius dwarf galaxy because repeated close encounters between this small galaxy and the Milky Way caused significant bursts of star formation, potentially including the Sun, due to gravitational interactions that compressed gas clouds and triggered star creation when Sagittarius passed through the Milky Way’s disk; essentially suggesting that the Sagittarius dwarf galaxy’s gravitational influence played a role in the formation of our solar system.

Key points about this theory:

Star formation bursts:
When Sagittarius passes near the Milky Way, its gravitational pull can trigger large-scale star formation events by compressing gas clouds in the Milky Way.

Timing and evidence:
Studies of stellar ages near the Sun, particularly from data collected by the Gaia space telescope, show periods of increased star formation that align with the predicted timing of Sagittarius’ close encounters with the Milky Way.

Not a direct origin:
While the theory suggests the Sagittarius dwarf galaxy may have influenced the Sun’s formation, it doesn’t mean the Sun itself was directly “part” of the Sagittarius galaxy, but rather that the gravitational interactions during their close encounters could have triggered its creation within the Milky Way.

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November 21, 2024 - 11:43 pm

Not our Sun but stars no more than 3 thousand light years from the Sun are over 10 billion years old. The age of our star, the Sun’s age is an outlier.

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Steefen
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November 21, 2024 - 11:50 pm

Although our Sun/Star is not from a dwarf galaxy, I asked Google AI

Are there stars in the Milky Way from former dwarf galaxies?

Google AI said:

Yes, the Milky Way contains stars that originated from former dwarf galaxies, which were pulled in and merged with the Milky Way over time, leaving behind stellar remnants now visible as part of our galaxy’s halo; these stars can be identified by their unique chemical composition and unusual orbital paths compared to the Milky Way’s native stars.
Key points about these “immigrant” stars:

Ancient origin:
These stars are often very old, as dwarf galaxies tend to form stars early in the universe.

Metal-poor:
Compared to younger Milky Way stars, they have a lower abundance of heavy elements (metals) due to their origin in smaller, less enriched galaxies.
Distinctive orbits:
Their movement within the Milky Way can be different from the typical galactic rotation, sometimes even moving in retrograde orbits.

Example:

Gaia-Sausage-Enceladus: Astronomers have identified a significant population of stars within the Milky Way that are believed to be remnants of a dwarf galaxy called Gaia-Sausage-Enceladus, which merged with the Milky Way billions of years ago.

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November 21, 2024 - 11:52 pm

I asked open ai’s, ChatGPT-4 the same question.

Yes, many stars in the Milky Way originated in former dwarf galaxies. The Milky Way has a history of merging and interacting with smaller galaxies, a process known as galactic cannibalism. These interactions often result in the smaller galaxies being torn apart by tidal forces, with their stars being assimilated into the Milky Way’s halo, disk, and bulge.
Evidence for Stars from Dwarf Galaxies:

Stellar Streams:
When a dwarf galaxy is disrupted, it can leave behind streams of stars that trace its former orbit around the Milky Way. Examples include the Sagittarius Stream and the Helmi Stream. These streams are remnants of past dwarf galaxy mergers.

Chemical Signatures:
Stars from dwarf galaxies often have unique chemical compositions that distinguish them from stars that formed within the Milky Way. For example, they may have lower metallicities (elements heavier than hydrogen and helium) or distinct ratios of certain elements like magnesium and iron.

Kinematic Data:
Stars originating from disrupted dwarf galaxies often have different motions compared to native Milky Way stars. For instance, some halo stars exhibit retrograde motion (orbiting in the opposite direction of the Milky Way’s rotation), a clue that they were accreted from another galaxy.

Ancient Mergers:
One of the most significant merger events in the Milky Way’s history involved the Gaia-Enceladus-Sausage galaxy, a dwarf galaxy that merged with the Milky Way around 8–10 billion years ago. Evidence of this merger is found in the distribution and properties of stars in the halo.

Globular Clusters:
Some of the Milky Way’s globular clusters are thought to have originated in dwarf galaxies. Their distinct ages, orbits, and chemical compositions suggest an extragalactic origin.

These stars contribute significantly to the Milky Way’s stellar halo and also enrich its structure and diversity. Galactic archaeology—studying the chemical and kinematic properties of stars—is crucial for understanding this accretion history.

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November 21, 2024 - 11:53 pm

Now we have some detailed information of what went on when Genesis says God created the Sun.

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Steefen
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November 22, 2024 - 12:04 am

So, Jesus/the Word did NOT create all of the stars in the Milky Way galaxy, let alone the universe.

It goes back to what I was saying

either God haute couture created each Sun (Solar System)
or
God created the cosmic phenomenon of star creation.

WELL, STEEFEN, Genesis should not have said A, it should have said B: In the beginning, God created the cosmic phenomenon of star creation.
This makes our Solar-System-centric Bible misleading that our Sun, Earth, and Moon are super special.

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November 23, 2024 - 6:01 pm

Google AI:

The main difference between cosmology and cosmogony is that

cosmology studies the universe as it is now, while

cosmogony studies the universe’s origins:

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November 23, 2024 - 6:31 pm

Name 5 other solar systems that have asteroid belts

Chat said:

Here are five solar systems that are known or strongly suspected to have asteroid belts or asteroid belt-like debris regions based on infrared observations and other data:
1. Epsilon Eridani

Location: 10.5 light-years away in the constellation Eridanus.
Features:
This system has two prominent debris belts:
An inner belt located at a distance comparable to our asteroid belt.
An outer belt resembling our Kuiper Belt.
The belts are sculpted by at least one gas giant planet, Epsilon Eridani b, orbiting the star.

2. Vega

Location: 25 light-years away in the constellation Lyra.
Features:
Vega has a dusty debris disk that could represent an extended asteroid belt.
The dust is generated by the collision of planetesimals, which are likely remnants of rocky and icy bodies.
The system is young, about 455 million years old, so its asteroid-like regions may still be forming.

3. Fomalhaut

Location: 25 light-years away in the constellation Piscis Austrinus.
Features:
Fomalhaut is surrounded by a large debris disk at about 140 AU (astronomical units) from the star.
Observations suggest smaller belts or gaps within the disk, indicating possible rocky asteroid-like material or shepherding by unseen planets.

4. HD 69830

Location: 41 light-years away in the constellation Puppis.
Features:
Infrared observations reveal a dense dust belt, likely from the collision of asteroid-sized objects.
The dust belt lies within 1 AU of the star, making it an analog to the asteroid belt in our solar system, but much closer to its star.

5. Tau Ceti

Location: 12 light-years away in the constellation Cetus.
Features:
Tau Ceti has a debris disk that contains 10 times as much dust as the solar system’s Kuiper Belt.
This suggests an active region of rocky collisions, which may include asteroid-like material.

Summary of Their Significance

These systems provide insight into the diversity of planetary system architectures:

Some belts resemble the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter.
Others may be analogous to the Kuiper Belt, located beyond Neptune in our solar system.

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Has there been pictures of our asteroid belt taken by Hubble?
Has there been pictures of our asteroid belt taken by the JWST?

Chat said:

No, there have been no direct images of the asteroid belt as a cohesive structure taken by either the Hubble Space Telescope (HST) or the James Webb Space Telescope (JWST). However, both telescopes have been instrumental in observing individual asteroids and studying the belt indirectly.

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November 23, 2024 - 6:33 pm

The Enuma Elish has 6 tablets of action and 1 tablet of summation.
There were 6 days of creation and 1 day of rest in the Hebrew creation epic.

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Colin Milton

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November 24, 2024 - 6:29 pm

If there was only 3 days of creation and rest, then there’s no way to mathematically prove when exactly the division of days occurs because 1/3 is an infinite number. We’re screwed.

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