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is god omnipresent?
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IR_2017

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November 30, 2021 - 3:38 pm

the torah says that god doesnt dwell in unholy places, so how is he omnipresent? 

 

god physically comes down and goes places in the bible, he avoid dirty places in the hebrew bible

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November 30, 2021 - 4:27 pm

The writings in the Hebrew Bible have a much more immanent view of Yahweh than did the Medieval Scholastics with their “omni” God.  

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December 1, 2021 - 7:22 am

yes, it appears yhwh is not omnipresent but like creature has to go places, so can we say that the writers of hebrew bible saw god as super human in comparative sense?

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December 1, 2021 - 7:25 am

“The writings in the Hebrew Bible have a much more immanent view of Yahweh than did the Medieval Scholastics “

 

you think medieval scholastics read omni attributes into the hebrew bible because what was acheivable for a super human god in time was easily acheivable for an omni god separate from creation? the omni god didn’t need five human senses like yhwh to be known, he was known through dreams and metaphysical means ?

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December 2, 2021 - 10:48 am

you think medieval scholastics read omni attributes into the hebrew bible because what was acheivable for a super human god in time was easily acheivable for an omni god separate from creation? the omni god didn’t need five human senses like yhwh to be known, he was known through dreams and metaphysical means ?

Well yes but it didn’t start with the scholastics.  Even in the Hebrew Bible itself you see a gradual but steady sense of developing discomfort with the ancient conception of an immanent divinity.  Hebrew scholar James Kugel has written an interesting book about this subject called ** you do not have permission to see this link **.  Kugel focuses on the figure of the Angel of the Lord which seems to have developed as a way to mediate the appearance of divinity in the world of human action.  Whereas before Yahweh himself comes down and interacts with humans the Angel of the Lord began to serve this function.   And the concept of divine mediation certainly affected later views of the Messiah and the apocalyptic Son of Man and by extension Christian views of who Jesus was.

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December 3, 2021 - 11:50 am

  Whereas before Yahweh himself comes down and interacts with humans the Angel of the Lord began to serve this function. 

for example: 

 

The angel of the LORD called to Abraham from heaven a second time

 

note here, “the lord” is placeholder for yhwh and it is yhwhs representitive speaking. 

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