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Is Yahweh evil?
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MrMorden

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January 7, 2025 - 9:35 am

In Isaiah 45:7 god is said to create good and evil. I have heard somewhere that the word “create” (two instances) would be a later addition and the original would read: I am good and I am evil.

Is there support for this claim and if so, where?

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Robert
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January 7, 2025 - 1:58 pm
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Stephen
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January 7, 2025 - 2:24 pm

Welcome Mr. Morden! I like the NRSV’s I make weal and create woe. I am interested to note Alter’s making peace and creating evil. which seems a bit of a throwback to the KJV. The view of God here is similar to what one finds later in Sunni Islam. God is beyond categories. Beyond our questioning. Our portion is obedience. I think this is close to actual monotheism as the OT ever gets.

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January 7, 2025 - 2:36 pm
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Porphyry

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January 7, 2025 - 3:17 pm

It is interesting that the text was in that much flux. Two totally different words, that neither neither look nor sound alike, but that do have similar meanings.

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January 7, 2025 - 3:24 pm

The Hebrew word that the KJV translates as “weal” is shalom

The KJV, as far as I can tell, has “peace”; I don’t see ‘weal’ in the verse.

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January 7, 2025 - 4:21 pm
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Porphyry

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January 7, 2025 - 4:43 pm

As for the textual variants of shalom/good (שָׁל֖וֹם/טוב), a scribe probably thought (perhaps even unconsciously) ‘good’ to be a better contrast with ‘evil’. This presumes shalom is more likely original as the lectio difficilior.

Yes, that makes sense. It just reminds me that all this about the Jewish copyists being meticulous with their scriptures–insofar as it is true–is from a later period.

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Stephen
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January 8, 2025 - 8:43 am

Alter is actually being more literal here.

Alter has become my go-to guy. I wonder if other contemporary translators flinch at “evil” because it makes them queasy.

Oops! I misread Stephen’s post.

Weal overlook it this time. BWAHAHAHA…

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Colin Milton

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January 8, 2025 - 9:41 am

The point of the verse is a comparison between Light:Good and Darkness:Evil.

Darkness no longer exists after the creation of light in Genesis 1.

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Jill_L

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January 8, 2025 - 4:56 pm

I’m asking what difference could be perceived existing between the meanings of “peace” in the sense of shalom and “good” in the sense of tov.

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January 8, 2025 - 5:50 pm
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January 8, 2025 - 5:57 pm
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Jill_L

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January 9, 2025 - 5:42 am

And for a little fun we call dark chocolate cake devil’s food!

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Stephen
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January 9, 2025 - 12:26 pm

Christians definitely created an issue for themselves when they insisted that a transcendent all-good God had excluded evil from Himself. This idea is what makes the so-called ‘Problem of Evil’ possible in the first place. For Deutero-Isaiah, and Sunni Muslims, God is all-in-all. If you can’t handle that, well then too bad. That was the answer to Job.

This is at least partly why I’ve never thought the ‘Problem of Evil’ was a very strong argument against belief in god.

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Jill_L

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January 9, 2025 - 1:58 pm

With all due lightness of humor, I think humans create our own bits of good and evil. We’re made in the image. G d did give a heads up in the garden of Eden after all. He said “watch out for the chocolate”. It could get you. 🙂

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Colin Milton

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January 9, 2025 - 3:06 pm

The LXX didn’t parse certain names. That’s a problem when the Genitive Case is necessary. (Proper noun, indeclinable 🤨)
I’m reading Isaiah 45:3, ο θεος Ισραηλ

The God Israel.

If that’s supposed to read as “the God of Israel” it should be spelled ο θεος του Ισραηλου

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January 9, 2025 - 3:29 pm
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