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Bart's debate "How Jesus became God"
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Quartus
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March 13, 2016 - 12:35 am

MMahmud said
What I gathered, and correct me if I am wrong, is that Jews did have a tradition, not necessarily approved of by most but still a certain persistent strand within the community who did not fear using incredibly audacious language for certain figures. Certain figures in the Old Testament are exalted with very audacious Godlike language although most Rabbis even then would be likely to affirm that these praises are metaphorical.

Even Philo himself does not belief Moses is literally divine. In any case, these terms of exaltation son of God and Lord are not unknown to Jews.

As for Romans, they would in fact not just exalt their loved dead kings but deify them as well. They really were worshiping their dead kings…..

Well I can’t correct you if your wrong because I don’t know, but I do know why I don’t bother with the apocrypha.  

As far as I know the Apocrypha follows the thinking you outline with ideas such as – 
Come let us now praise famous men… 

opposing Jewish & NT scriptures which teach 
Isa 40:6 All flesh is grass, and all the goodliness thereof is as the flower of the field: (quoted in NT 1Pet 1:24)

and the NT builds on in the following way
1Co 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
1Co 1:28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
1Co 1:29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.

In fact Paul taught that glorying in man was foolishness, and when he felt obliged to establish his own credentials, he spoke as a fool:
2Co 11:18-19 Seeing that many glory after the flesh, I will glory also. For ye suffer fools gladly, seeing ye yourselves are wise.
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2Co 11:21-23 I speak as concerning reproach, as though we had been weak. Howbeit whereinsoever any is bold, (I speak foolishly,) I am bold also.  Are they Hebrews? so am I. Are they Israelites? so am I. Are they the seed of Abraham? so am I.  Are they ministers of Christ? (I speak as a fool) I am more; in labours more abundant, in stripes above measure, in prisons more frequent, in deaths oft…

So whatever the  NT writers wrote of the elevation of Jesus they clearly opposed the Jewish and Roman principles that you have outlined. 

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jbjbjbjbjb
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April 22, 2016 - 8:53 am

Hi – before I bother Bart with this, does anyone know if he ever responded to Larry Hurtado’s response to his book, How Jesus Became God?

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I’d be quite interested to hear it if so.

Thanks 🙂

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Judith

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April 22, 2016 - 9:10 am

jbjbjbjbjb said
Hi – before I bother Bart with this, does anyone know if he ever responded to Larry Hurtado’s response to his book, How Jesus Became God?

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I’d be quite interested to hear it if so.

Thanks 🙂

Under Member Content where we read Dr. Ehrman’s posts, there is the Search by Keyword. Type in Larry Hurtado and there are many results! Did you read “Larry Hurtado’s Critique of How Jesus Became God” June 2, 2014?

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jbjbjbjbjb
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April 22, 2016 - 10:06 am

Great thank you Judith

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Bgipson

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April 22, 2016 - 12:12 pm

jbjbjbjbjb said
Great thank you Judith

Ehrman had a brief exchange with him via email to correct what Bart thought were misrepresentations of the book.

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