
I copied and Pasted this from Carrier’s website. It might be useful for talking about method in general.
Here is just a basic guide for simple Bayesian reasoning about history…
- Rule 1: Estimate probabilities as far against your assumptions as you can reasonably believe them to be.
I discuss this method in detail in Proving History (index, “a fortiori, method of”). But in short, what it means is this: You can’t be certain of any probability. But you know enough to know what that probably can’t be. Or can’t reasonably be. You may not know what the odds are of a meteor from outer space vaporizing your house tomorrow. But you certainly know it’s a lot less than 1 in 1000. Otherwise it’d have happened by now. To lots of people you know. If it’s important to test probabilities closer to what they actually are, or what you think they are, by all means do so. And engage whatever research and data gathering is needed to get a better estimate. There actually are some data-based stats on destructive meteor strike frequencies you can track down and average per house-lot of area, for example. But most of the time, that effort simply won’t be necessary. You can see where a conclusion is going just from an initial a fortiori estimate. And any greater precision will just make the probability stronger still (either lower than it already is, or higher, depending on which possibility you are testing).
- Rule 2: Estimate the prior probability of the conclusion you are testing.
Based on past cases like the one you are looking at, what has usually been the case? And how often? When you get emails from relatives with some astonishing unsourced claim about the President of the United States being a member of a secret Devil Cult, what usually is the case with things like that? They are usually made up urban legends. To an astonishingly high frequency even. Some few might end up being true. But this is what you are estimating, when you are estimating a prior: How often do claims like the one you are testing turn out to be true? How often does something else turn out to be the case instead? From estimating that you get a probability.
In history, we are testing causal claims. There are two kinds of historical claims. There are historical claims that ask “What happened?” And those amount to asking “What caused the evidence we have?” Was the claim about the President of the United States being a member of a secret Devil Cult caused by someone actually discovering good evidence that the President of the United States was a member of a secret Devil Cult? Or was it caused by someone making that up? And there are historical claims that ask “Why did that happen?” And those also amount to asking “What caused the evidence we have?” but in this case we’re talking about a different body of evidence, since we are looking not at the historical event itself, but at other historical events leading up to it. But that just makes it the same question again. And in every case, “What usually happens in such cases?” is where you get your prior. If you don’t know (if there is literally no relevantly similar case at all), then the ** you do not have permission to see this link **prevails, and in the simplest binary cases will just be 50/50.
Again, I say a lot more about this in in Proving History. But this is something we already always do in all aspects of our lives. We make assumptions about what usually does or doesn’t cause the things we see, and adjust our certainty accordingly. It’s also done constantly by historians, even when they don’t realize it. Every time they dismiss a theory because it’s “implausible” or say things like “we don’t know for sure what happened in that case, but this is what usually happened in such cases,” they are reasoning about prior probability.
- Rule 3: Prior probabilities are always relative probabilities. Because the prior is an estimate of the frequency of a claimed cause of the evidence relative to all other things that could have caused the same evidence.
In other words, the prior is a measure of how frequently something is the cause of the evidence we are looking at relative to all other causes of that same evidence. And the sum of the individual prior probabilities of every possible cause of the evidence must equal 100%, since we know the evidence exists and therefore something caused it, and there are no other possible things to have caused it but those.
This means, for example, that the prior probability of someone having gotten rich by winning the lottery is not the probability of winning the lottery. Rather, it is the relative frequency with which rich people got rich that way, as opposed to some other way. So if half of all rich people got rich by winning the lottery, then the prior probability that a rich person won the lottery is fully 50%. Regardless of how improbable winning lotteries is. Always think in these terms. So, for instance, if the only ways to get rich have a 1 in 1000 chance of occurring, and someone is rich, method A is 1000 to 1 against and method B is 1000 to 1 against, but these balance out. As each is equally likely, then the probability of having gotten rich by method A is simply 50%.
It’s too easy to get seduced by the unlikeliness of every possible explanation of a certain observation, and conclude they are all impossible. But that’s not how it works. What we want to know is the relative likeliness among all those explanations. So, for example, someone stealing the body of Jesus and someone else hallucinating seeing him alive again is, like a lottery, highly unlikely. But it’s still millions of times more likely than a space ghost magically regenerating corpse flesh. So if those were the only possibilities (they aren’t, but just for the sake of illustration), then the prior probability someone stole the body of Jesus and someone else hallucinated seeing him alive again is actually very nearly 100%. Because if that is, say, 2,000,000 times more likely than the alternative, then the ratio of the priors is 2,000,000/1. And since the priors must sum to 1 (because they exhaust all possible causes of the evidence), it follows that the prior probability of the “amazing conjunction of theft & hallucination” hypothesis is more than 99.99995% (and the prior probability of the space ghost theory is a dwindling 0.000049999975%). In other words, it doesn’t matter how unlikely the “amazing conjunction of theft & hallucination” hypothesis is. It only matters how likely it is relative to alternatives.
This is an important lesson in logic that understanding Bayesian reasoning teaches us.
- Rule 4: Estimate the probability (also known as the “likelihood”) of all the evidence as a whole if the claim you are testing is true.
Literally assume the claim is true. Then ask, “How likely then is all this evidence?” You must mean all the evidence when you do that. You can’t leave any out—if it will make the claim more or less likely than alternative explanations (alternative causes) of the same evidence. And there are different ways to figure this probability (discussed in Proving History). But the question always comes down to this: Is the evidence pretty much or exactly what we’d expect? (All things considered.) Or is it in some ways not quite what we’d expect? If it’s at all unexpected, if there is anything unexpected about it, then it’s less likely. And you have to estimate that.
This is in fact what we always do anyway, in every aspect of life. And it’s what historians constantly are doing. When they say the evidence perfectly fits a hypothesis, they mean it would have had a very high likelihood (a very high probability) if that hypothesis is true. Whereas when historians say the evidence fits a hypothesis poorly, they mean it’s not very probable that the evidence would look like that, if the hypothesis were true. And this is what you mean, every time you have ever said that in your life, too.
- Rule 5: Estimate the probability (also known as the “likelihood”) of all the same evidence if the claim you are testing is false. Which always means: if some other explanation is true.
Because you can only know whether a claim is true, by comparing it against other competing claims. This is true in estimating the prior probability, since that is always a relative probability (per rule 3). It is also true here. There are always at least two likelihoodsyou have to estimate before you can know if some claim is probably true or not. The first is the likelihood on the claim you are testing (rule 4). The other is the likelihood of all that same evidence on an alternative theory—the best alternative, at the very least; but every good alternative should be considered. A bad alternative, BTW, is one that either (A) makes the evidence we have extremely unlikely (and does not have a correspondingly remarkably high prior probability) or (B) has an extremely small prior probability (and does not have a correspondingly remarkably higher likelihood than every other competing hypothesis).
Since the evidence we have has to have been caused by something, such as the event you are claiming happened, the most likely alternative has to be some other event that could have produced the same evidence. If someone says “Joe must have had syphilis because he was observed to be suffering from dementia in his later years,” they are implicitly assuming no other causes of dementia are at all as likely as syphilis (which is not a sound assumption; there are many other common causes of dementia). They are also implicitly assuming there can be no other causes of the observed symptoms of dementia than having dementia—when, in fact, pretending to have dementia is an alternative that has to be accounted for (and there are many other possibilities as well).
So here, you are doing the same thing you did in rule 4. Except now you are “literally assuming” some other cause is true, and then asking “How likely then is all this evidence?” All the same principles apply as were discussed under rule 4. And this again is something you already do all the time; and that historians do constantly. Although, not as often as they should. One of the most common logical fails in history writing is failing to complete this step of reasoning, and assuming that because the evidence we have is exactly what we expect on hypothesis A, that therefore we’ve proved hypothesis A (that it is the most likely explanation of that evidence). No. Because hypothesis B might explain all the same evidence just as well. Or better. The evidence we have may in fact be exactly what we expect on B as well! So taking alternatives into account, and doing it seriously, is a fundamental requirement of all sound reasoning about evidence. You can’t use a straw man here, either. If you aren’t comparing your hypothesis to the best alternative, then your logic will be invalid.
- Rule 6: The ratio between those likelihoods (generated by following rules 4 and 5) is how strongly the evidence supports the claim you are testing. This is called the likelihood ratio.
Whenever historians talk about a body of evidence or a particular item of evidence being weak or strong, or weighing a lot or a little, or anything like that, they mean by “weak” that this evidence is just as expected or almost as expected on many different hypotheses, and therefore doesn’t weigh very much in favor of one of those hypotheses over those others; and they mean by “strong” that this evidence is not very expected at all on any other hypothesis but the hypothesis it is supporting.
Thus, ironically, what you are looking for when you are looking for strong evidence for a claim—when you are looking for “really good” evidence—is evidence that’s extremely improbable … on any other explanation than the one you are testing. We already expect good evidence will fit the hypothesis. That is, that it will be just what we expect to see, if that hypothesis is true. But that’s not enough. Because as we just noted under rule 5, the evidence might fit other hypotheses equally well. And if that’s the case, then it isn’t good evidence after all. So the key step is this last one, where we look at the ratio of likelihoods among all credible explanations of the same evidence.
And so…
- The odds on a Claim Being True = The Prior Odds times the Likelihood Ratio
The easiest way to think all this through on a napkin, as it were, is to use that formula, which is called the Odds Form of Bayes’ Theorem. It doesn’t let you see all the moving parts in the engine compartment, as it were. But if you just want to do a quick figuring, or if you already know how the engine works, then this is a handy way to do it.
The prior odds on a claim being true equals the ratio of priors (found through rules 2 and 3). So, for example, if one person gets rich by winning the lottery for every hundred other rich people (who get rich some other way), then the prior odds on a rich person having won the lottery equals 1/100. We can convert that to two prior probabilities that sum to 100%. But that’s next level. For now, just think, if it’s usually a hundred times more likely to have gotten rich some other way than winning the lottery, then the prior odds on having won the lottery is 1 in 100 (for anyone we observe to be rich).
The likelihood ratio is then the ratio of the two likelihoods (generated in rules 4 and 5). So, for example, if hypothesis A explains the evidence just as well as hypothesis B, then the likelihood ratio will be 1/1, in other words 50/50, because the likelihood of the evidence is the same on both hypotheses. The evidence then argues for neither hypothesis. But if the evidence is a hundred times more likely on A than on B, and A and B exhaust all possible causes of that evidence, then the likelihood ratio is 100/1. So, if we have really good evidence that Joe Rich won the lottery, evidence that’s a hundred times less likely to exist if he didn’t (and instead got rich some other way), then we get:
Prior Odds [x] Likelihood Ratio = 1/100 x 100/1 = 100/100 = 1/1
So with that evidence, it’s just as likely that Joe got rich by winning the lottery as that he got rich some other way. It’s 50/50. To get more certain than that, you need better evidence than that. For example, evidence that’s a thousand times less likely to exist if Joe didn’t win the lottery has this effect:
Prior Odds [x] Likelihood Ratio = 1/100 x 1000/1 = 1000/100 = 10/1
Then the odds Joe got rich by winning the lottery are ten to one. That means it’s ten times more likely he won the lottery, than anything else.
Once you realize how to do this simple napkin math, you can analyze all kinds of questions, such as about how good the evidence has to be to reach a certain level of certainty in a claim, or about what it even means for evidence to be “good.” It also helps understand what a prior probability is (through the idea of the “prior odds” on a claim being true, something gamblers are always calculating for anything and everything), and how it affects the amount of evidence we need to believe a claim. You’ll start to get a sense, in other words, for the whole logic of evidence.
William Lane Craig uses Bayes Theorem to show the high probability that Jesus was the Son of God and was raised from the dead. Carrier uses it to show the low order of probability that Jesus existed as a historical figure. I wonder who’s right?
I’m not a Bayesian so I am unable to respond to the technical aspects other than to point out that some Bayesians have protested that trying to determine the probability of the historicity of Jesus is not a proper use of the methodology.
I am a historicist because I think the position is the most parsimonius given the sources we have. That’s it. I have no prior faith position or any axe to grind. If I found out for sure that Jesus didn’t exist I would lose no sleep over it.
And that’s really all I’m going to say about mythicism. I’m bored with it basically and I’m only going to talk about what I care about.

Stephen said
William Lane Craig uses Bayes Theorem to show the high probability that Jesus was the Son of God and was raised from the dead. Carrier uses it to show the low order of probability that Jesus existed as a historical figure. I wonder who’s right?
Nail on the head. Marketers, for example, can use statistics to prove any position using the same numbers.

Stephen said
William Lane Craig uses Bayes Theorem to show the high probability that Jesus was the Son of God and was raised from the dead. Carrier uses it to show the low order of probability that Jesus existed as a historical figure. I wonder who’s right?
Why someone would post, on this forum, Carrier’s article on his use of Bayesian theory beats me…..unless, of course, the reason has to do with Carrier bashing…..yep, Carrier bashes the Jesus historicists – so par for the course I suppose…..
I’m not a Bayesian so I am unable to respond to the technical aspects other than to point out that some Bayesians have protested that trying to determine the probability of the historicity of Jesus is not a proper use of the methodology.
I don’t think the historicist vs ahistoricist debate is going to be settled by Carrier’s use of Bayesian theory. I did buy his doorstop of a book but never got past the first chapter or two. I use it only when I want to find out what his position is on a particular point. I think there are people in the ahistoricist/camp that have been disappointed with the book – it’s not a trump card against the Jesus historicists….
I am a historicist because I think the position is the most parsimonius given the sources we have. That’s it. I have no prior faith position or any axe to grind. If I found out for sure that Jesus didn’t exist I would lose no sleep over it.
It’s not so much the sources we have it’s how the sources are interpreted that is the issue. I often think interpretation can be a bit like that two face Rubin vase. That’s why I always say that interpretation will not settle the historicist vs ahistoricist debate. One has to get outside, as it were, the gospel story before attempting an interpretation of that story. That means dealing with history as a way towards interpreting, understanding the gospel story. Interpreting the gospel story without a history book in hand is no different than trying to understand a foreign language without an English/foreign language dictionary to hand.
And that’s really all I’m going to say about mythicism. I’m bored with it basically and I’m only going to talk about what I care about.
Sad to read that! I find the ahistoricist position to be very exciting. I’m interested in early christian origins and find the ahistoricist position opens up avenues for research that the historicist position cannot. The historicist position is a closed shop. Nothing fundamental has changed in nearly two thousand years – and yet the intellectual world in which we live bares no resemblance to that of two thousand years ago. Christianity owes it’s origin to a burst, a starburst, in intellectual evolution. A new way of thinking broke free from the constraints of Judaism. If that is what is at the core of Christianity – intellectual innovation (whether theology or philosophy) then we should not be surprised that Christianity’s inherent nature (heresy) will continue to exert itself. Like physical evolution, intellectual evolution knows it’s quite times as well as it’s bursts of innovation. While there is much to question in the ahistoricist/mythicists camp – the ahistoricist position is gaining ground and putting the historicist position continually under siege…The barbarians, if you like, are at the gates….
And why does it matter whether the gospel Jesus was historical or not? It matters because our human nature requires that we live rational lives. We need to live rational lives as befitting the modern world we live in. We cannot allow the past to hinder our intellectual evolution. As Bart says in his new book – gospel writers changed their stories, the memories they inherited; memories become changed in the retelling so as to be relevant to the writers time and place. Likewise, today, the gospel memories that we have inherited need to be changed in order for them to have meaning to our 21st century lives. Gospel writers have Jesus saying this and that; they have him doing this and that; they have his disciples saying Jesus is this that and the other. What in god’s name stops modern thinking people from doing likewise? The show, as they say, must go on. In the case of the gospel Jesus – new innovation, new innovation for the 21st century thinking person, will proceed….it’s inevitable….

Stephen said
William Lane Craig uses Bayes Theorem to show the high probability that Jesus was the Son of God and was raised from the dead. Carrier uses it to show the low order of probability that Jesus existed as a historical figure. I wonder who’s right?I’m not a Bayesian so I am unable to respond to the technical aspects other than to point out that some Bayesians have protested that trying to determine the probability of the historicity of Jesus is not a proper use of the methodology.
I am a historicist because I think the position is the most parsimonius given the sources we have. That’s it. I have no prior faith position or any axe to grind. If I found out for sure that Jesus didn’t exist I would lose no sleep over it.
And that’s really all I’m going to say about mythicism. I’m bored with it basically and I’m only going to talk about what I care about.
Very well said. Now, I think that probability theory is something that applies to well-defined natural systems, assuming precise properties of these systems. Of course it has no meaning to apply this type of mathematics to supernatural events, which are about suspension of fixed properties of natural systems. Probability theory applies to physical systems, and as such it may be applied to many aspects of historical research. Actually, probability theory came about as a helper method for gamblers, based on exact knowledge about the rules of the game and the properties of the means involved, like the roulette wheel.
A skilled statistician may compare a certain number of 2. century manuscript scraps containing isolated verses with reconstructed present-day versions, and should in principle be able to put a probability number on the hypothesis that 2. century canonical gospel copies were more textually diverse than the corresponding 3.century gospel copies. This and abundant other examples make it clear that it would be wrong to discard statistical methods in historical research. Typically , it applies to low-level subject matter below the flow of historical events.
If on the other hand we want to calculate the probability that Paul was talking about the real physical brother of Jesus, and not some other obscure sect member, things become much worse. There are so many factors involved in a hypothetical calculation model, that one never will be able complete the job of defining and computing the input probabilities, not to speak about the model itself. In such matters one should leave the concept of probability and rather use other types of criteria, for instance as you wisely suggest, the principle of parsimony, among others. If an explanation is simple and accounts for more facts, it is preferable to a complex theory which accounts for fewer facts. This may lead to incorrect conclusions sometimes, but so does probability theory. In history, what was prior deemed unlikely, has often occurred. During the WWII, the Germans ran over (or unexpectedly, around) the mighty french Maginot defense line in hours.

Stephen said
William Lane Craig uses Bayes Theorem to show the high probability that Jesus was the Son of God and was raised from the dead. Carrier uses it to show the low order of probability that Jesus existed as a historical figure. I wonder who’s right?
Of course, the abuse of a particular methodology, doesn’t make it invalid. Let’s not forget that similar remarks can and have been made about the critical method itself (Allison, Keith/LeDonne, Hooker). Mythicists make the very same argument about the critical method. That it leads to different Jesuses. I am by no means recommending replacing the industry standard with Bayesianism. My hope was to 1.) get a better understanding of it and 2.) understand why it is widely rejected.
My own sense, judging from Allison’s examination of CM, is that it’s problems are mostly rooted in how the the criteria are APPLIED.
William Lane Craig would be a big fat case in point CR-F( WTF +stolen audio) =Jesus

Greg Matthews said
Nail on the head. Marketers, for example, can use statistics to prove any position using the same numbers.
Doesn’t look too verbose to me, Greg. Now we wouldn’t reject statistical sampling because marketers abuse it, would we?
I don’t for a second think this is a superior approach, but if it is going to be employed by others, it’s worth developing an understanding of its flaws. Admittedly it allows people overly impressed with mathematical looking formulas to dress their conjecture up as scientific evidence (see WLC)

gavriel said
Very well said. Now, I think that probability theory is something that applies to well-defined natural systems, assuming precise properties of these systems. Of course it has no meaning to apply this type of mathematics to supernatural events, which are about suspension of fixed properties of natural systems. Probability theory applies to physical systems, and as such it may be applied to many aspects of historical research. Actually, probability theory came about as a helper method for gamblers, based on exact knowledge about the rules of the game and the properties of the means involved, like the roulette wheel.
A skilled statistician may compare a certain number of 2. century manuscript scraps containing isolated verses with reconstructed present-day versions, and should in principle be able to put a probability number on the hypothesis that 2. century canonical gospel copies were more textually diverse than the corresponding 3.century gospel copies. This and abundant other examples make it clear that it would be wrong to discard statistical methods in historical research. Typically , it applies to low-level subject matter below the flow of historical events.
If on the other hand we want to calculate the probability that Paul was talking about the real physical brother of Jesus, and not some other obscure sect member, things become much worse. There are so many factors involved in a hypothetical calculation model, that one never will be able complete the job of defining and computing the input probabilities, not to speak about the model itself. In such matters one should leave the concept of probability and rather use other types of criteria, for instance as you wisely suggest, the principle of parsimony, among others. If an explanation is simple and accounts for more facts, it is preferable to a complex theory which accounts for fewer facts. This may lead to incorrect conclusions sometimes, but so does probability theory. In history, what was prior deemed unlikely, has often occurred. During the WWII, the Germans ran over (or unexpectedly, around) the mighty french Maginot defense line in hours.
Gav,
Thanks for the thoughtful response, but the question here how it does against the critical method. In that context, the critical method is widely used in the field, while Bayesian reasoning has been largely ignored since it was first introduced. Of course, the application of Bayesian reasoning doesn’t exclude use of things like Parsimony.
I love it when Mythicists argue that the most likely explanation of Paul’s Brother of the lord remark is (followed by whatever their pet explanation happens to be) If it were the most likely, it wouldn’t need to be explained. That James was actually Jesus brother is most likely because brother more often means exactly that. Combine that with the independent sources confirming Jesus had a brother James, one doesn’t need to look any further.

maryhelena said Why someone would post, on this forum, Carrier’s article on his use of Bayesian theory beats me…..unless, of course, the reason has to do with Carrier bashing…..yep, Carrier bashes the Jesus historicists – so par for the course I suppose…..
1.) That sure looks like a reply to me. In fact, it is the second one! (attention forum members!) 2.) If my purpose were Carrier bashing, why then wouldn’t I bash Carrier? Perhaps, I posted Carrier’s article because it was simply an idea whose time has come! or I just couldn’t keep the Genie in the bottle anymore! There’s really no reason for being perplexed since I stated that posting the article ” might be useful for “talking about method in general.”Thus, I don’t see how someone could be befuddled unless that is one’s normal state of mind.
I don’t think the historicist vs ahistoricist debate is going to be settled by Carrier’s use of Bayesian theory.
You might as well say the debate about whether the moon is made of green cheese wont be settled by discussing Bayes theorem. There certainly was no proposal to resolve any dispute by posting an explanation of Bayes theorem. Further, there is no historicist vs ahistoricist debate. Nothing to be settled. As I’ve pointed out before, the fact that people make “ahistoricist”arguments and produce books arguing that case, doesn’t mean there is a debate among the experts. As Bart, himself, put it:
The question is not really a matter of dispute among experts, even though mythicists as a rule would like it to be and sometimes even insist it is. But the reality is this: if you were to look at the program of the annual meeting of (the many thousands of English-speaking) professors of Biblical Studies, the Society of Biblical Literature meeting (this year in Atlanta), you will not find a session (out of thousands) devoted to arguing both sides of this issue. That’s because there is no debate.
It also bares repeating that Ehrman’s willingness to debate Price has absolutely nothing to do with the existence of some unsettled question. Again, according to Ehrman “even though I am generally disinclined to do this kind of debate, I would do it in this instance as a way of raising money for a good cause.”

gavriel said
Stephen said
William Lane Craig uses Bayes Theorem to show the high probability that Jesus was the Son of God and was raised from the dead. Carrier uses it to show the low order of probability that Jesus existed as a historical figure. I wonder who’s right?I’m not a Bayesian so I am unable to respond to the technical aspects other than to point out that some Bayesians have protested that trying to determine the probability of the historicity of Jesus is not a proper use of the methodology.
I am a historicist because I think the position is the most parsimonius given the sources we have. That’s it. I have no prior faith position or any axe to grind. If I found out for sure that Jesus didn’t exist I would lose no sleep over it.
And that’s really all I’m going to say about mythicism. I’m bored with it basically and I’m only going to talk about what I care about.
Very well said. Now, I think that probability theory is something that applies to well-defined natural systems, assuming precise properties of these systems. Of course it has no meaning to apply this type of mathematics to supernatural events, which are about suspension of fixed properties of natural systems. Probability theory applies to physical systems, and as such it may be applied to many aspects of historical research. Actually, probability theory came about as a helper method for gamblers, based on exact knowledge about the rules of the game and the properties of the means involved, like the roulette wheel.
A skilled statistician may compare a certain number of 2. century manuscript scraps containing isolated verses with reconstructed present-day versions, and should in principle be able to put a probability number on the hypothesis that 2. century canonical gospel copies were more textually diverse than the corresponding 3.century gospel copies. This and abundant other examples make it clear that it would be wrong to discard statistical methods in historical research. Typically , it applies to low-level subject matter below the flow of historical events.
Well said! Applying mathematical formulas, to my thinking, to the big questions of history is no better than buying a lottery ticket…Human nature is just too unpredictable. Indeed, playing with numbers has put man on the moon – but it has failed to develop a humanitarian social/political environment. We are more than the sum of our parts….
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If on the other hand we want to calculate th e probability that Paul was talking about the real physical brother of Jesus, and not some other obscure sect member, things become much worse. There are so many factors involved in a hypothetical calculation model, that one never will be able complete the job of defining and computing the input probabilities, not to speak about the model itself. In such matters one should leave the concept of probability and rather use other types of criteria, for instance as you wisely suggest, the principle of parsimony, among others. If an explanation is simple and accounts for more facts, it is preferable to a complex theory which accounts for fewer facts. This may lead to incorrect conclusions sometimes, but so does probability theory. In history, what was prior deemed unlikely, has often occurred. During the WWII, the Germans ran over (or unexpectedly, around) the mighty french Maginot defense line in hours.

maryhelena said “Well said! Applying mathematical formulas, to my thinking, to the big questions of history is no better than buying a lottery ticket…”
Yet, Historians think in terms of probability or likelihood. The problem isn’t whether one applies mathematical formulas, but how and what they are applied to. Further, we then ask what such an application tells us.Do Craig’s arguments carry anymore weight because he uses Bayesian reasoning? How do his peers respond to either this method or its conclusions. But here again, the misuse of a particular method, doesn’t detract from whatever usefulness it might have.
I’m not sure why numbers could be expected to produce “a humanitarian social/political environment”
Meteorology hasn’t produced a “a humanitarian social/political environment” either and I sincerely doubt that it was ever intended to do so. Before one dismisses the application of mathematical formulas, I think it is safer to rule them out in specific applications rather than whole sale. Moreover, historians aren’t talking about predicting what someone will do, but what they did, there’s a far less amount of unpredictability involved.
buying a lottery ticket is about what WILL happen. That’s completely different from looking at what did happen.
Indeed the odds of winning the lottery are calculable and that is the reason it exists. When Powerball was estimated at a billion dollars, a friend and I ended up purchasing 39 tickets between us and pooled them. The odds (1 in 38.32) of us winning were very good. We won Four dollars! Admittedly, that didn’t create a more humane sociopolitical order, didn’t, make me taller, get the chickweed out of my lawn, make me smarter, or save me money with Geico, but then it wasn’t supposed to.
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