During the second temple period, there are many messiah candidates.
Jesus quotes Daniel 12: 1. It’s a floating prophecy.
Now, he’s speaking the subject matter, I embrace when he says, while Jesus was concerned with the Romans soldiers who surrounded Jerusalem in AD 69 and AD 70, an earlier version was concerned with the Roman soldiers of Pompey the Great. The Jubilees – they thought they were in the first week of the final Jubilee.
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Dead Sea Scrolls – The Damascus Document – They lost their Teacher of Righteousness, killed by a Wicked Priest
40 years (this generation) We’re going to live to see the end
Jesus Movement – They lost their Teacher of Righteousness, Jesus was killed by a wicked Priest
40 years (this generation) We’re going to live to see the end
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You have detailed, apocalyptic, eschatology coming from Hebrew scripture.
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The British re-took the holy land from the Ottoman Empire.
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Pick up at 24:10 / 1: 52: 37
Dr. James Tabor (24:31 in the video)
The Thanksgiving Hymns 10-17 were actually written by the Teacher.
He applies Isaiah 53 to himself.
(Read that repeatedly until it sinks in–shouldn’t take long.
The New Testament portrays a consistent and singular interpretation of Isaiah 53 by identifying the suffering servant as Jesus of Nazareth. His experience of crucifixion and resurrection are portrayed as the fulfillment of the text.)
Pick up at 42:00 / 1: 52: 37
Tabor finds this book important:
The First Messiah: Investigating the Savior before Jesus by Michael O. Wise
In The First Messiah renowned Dead Sea Scrolls scholar Michael O. Wise brings to light the life of Judah, a forgotten prophet who predated Jesus as a messianic figure by a century and has had a profound impact on the course of Christianity and Western civilization.
Although Judah, known in the Dead Sea Scrolls as the Teacher of Righteousness, preached a message distinctly different from that of Jesus, the parallels between their lives are striking. Sharing with his successor a strong foundation in earlier written revelation, Judah came to believe–through meditation on Holly Writ–that he brought a divine message from God; like Christ, Judah’s claims to messianic status led to his arrest and condemnation. Judah’s warnings of Jewish apostasy and his apocalyptic prophecies, combined with powerful personal charisma, also built a movement that survived his death and even grew into an institution comprising bishops, priests, and laity.
Unlike Jesus, Judah left behind a personal testament, in his own words, of his relationship with God. By analyzing the Thanksgiving Hymns discovered among the Dead Sea Scrolls, Wise uncovers the basis of a groundbreaking understanding of the prophetic mind. In so doing, Wise deepens our understanding of Christ, his impact on the Jewish community of his time, and even his interpretation of his own messianic role.
The parallels between Judah and Jesus blaze forth in sharp relief:
Both declared themselves prophets.
Both were hailed by followers as He Who Is to Come and worked attendant wonders.
Both founded vital and long-lasting movements before leaving this world.
In all these things, Judah was first, anticipating the far more famous prophet from Galilee. How can these similarities be explained?
A century before Christ, a man came to Jerusalem who became known as the Teacher of Righteousness. In The First Messiah, distinguished Dead Sea Scrolls scholar Michael O. Wise provides a detailed examination of Judah, a figure whose life and prophecies helped lay the foundation for the acceptance of Jesus as the savior. Drawing on ancient texts as well as contemporary anthropological thought, Wise reveals compelling parallels between early prophets such as Judah and Jesus, and messianic figures who have emerged through the ages to the current day in cultures around the world.
Tread carefully with The First Messiah by Michael Wise.
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2.0 out of 5 stars Not Michael Wise’s Judah, nor Israel Knohl’s Menahem, but Jesus of Nazareth is the First and Only Messiah
Reviewed in the United Kingdom on May 1, 2008
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Unfortunately for Wise and Knohl, from the same DSS data, for his `First Messiah’ Wise chooses a `Judah’, the TOR, who died in 72 BC, while Knohl chooses an `invented’ Menahem, a different Qumranite leader, killed in 4 BC by the Romans during a Jewish revolt following Herod’s death. Too many claimants for the same position.
#1 The world did not change.
Rome was still the empire over Syria with Judea inside of it.
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- Client Kingdom Phase: Ruled by Roman-appointed kings like Herod the Great (37–4 BCE) and briefly under Herod Agrippa I (41–44 CE).
- Direct Province Phase: Governed directly by Roman prefects or procurators starting in 6 CE after the removal of Herod Archelaus.
- Connection to Syria: Early on, Judea’s affairs and transitions fell under the strategic oversight of the Roman Syria governor.
- The Outbreak (66 CE): When the abuses of Judean procurator Gessius Florus sparked a full-scale Jewish rebellion in Jerusalem, the Jewish population initially appealed to his superior, Gaius Cestius Gallus, the governor of Syria. Gallus marched south with the Syrian-based Legio XII Fulminata to restore order. However, the Jewish rebels decisively defeated Gallus at the Battle of Beth Horon in late 66 CE. [1, 2, 3, 4]
- The Shift (67–73 CE): Because a Syrian governor lacked the capacity to handle a war of this scale, Emperor Nero bypassed the normal provincial chain of command. He appointed Vespasian (and later his son Titus) to lead a massive, independent imperial expeditionary force directly answerable to Rome. [1]
When it was not a client kingdom, it was still under the Roman Empire directly or under the Roman Syria governor.
#1 The world did not change.
Rome was still the empire over Syria with Judea inside of it.
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The correction should be Rome was still the empire over the province of Judea.
Still, the world did not change, Jerusalem was still under Rome.
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#2 In traditional Judaism, the Messiah (Mashiach) is expected to rebuild the Holy Temple in Jerusalem. This act is considered one of the defining signs that the true messianic era has arrived.
The temple was still under Herod the Great’s renovation. This reason is acceptable to anyone else? If so, how could it have been done?
1) Wait for the end of Herod’s renovation.
2) Destroy the Temple, then build another one?
The video is giving 6 reasons.
What does Encyclopedia Britannica say or what does google say?
My Rebuttal:
#1 would be nonsensical in 30 CE.
#2 Jesus dropped that ball.
#3 A temple descending from Heaven was not plausible.
#4 Re-establishing the Sanhedrin? Well, let’s try to understand that.
Google, help us out, please.
- During Jesus’ Time: The high council met in Jerusalem during the Second Temple period to guide Jewish religious life. It faded away under Roman rule. [1, 2]
- The Messianic Prophecy: Traditional eschatology requires a full restoration of the institution with proper rabbinic transmission (semikhah) directly by divine or prophetic renewal. [1, 2]
- Moses presided over these 70 elders as the head (Nasi).
- This created a supreme council of 71 members, establishing the exact blueprint for the Great Sanhedrin that lasted for centuries. [** you do not have permission to see this link **]
- First Linguistic Mention: A council of elders (referred to as a gerousia or early council) is mentioned during the Hasmonean period under King Alexander Jannaeus up until 76 BCE. [** you do not have permission to see this link **]
- First Concrete Record: The first definitive historical record of the formal institution called the Sanhedrin comes from the Roman historian Josephus in 57 BCE. At this time, the Roman governor Aulus Gabinius legally divided Judea into five political and judicial districts, each overseen by a synedrion. [** you do not have permission to see this link **]
| Perspective | Timeline | Originating Event |
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| Religious / Biblical | c. 1312 BCE (Wilderness Period) | God commands Moses to appoint 70 elders. |
| Historical / Secular | c. 57 BCE (Roman Era) | First formal recording by Josephus under Roman administration. |
Restore the Sanhedrin in the early first century C.E. still doesn’t sound right.
Response:
- Puppet Leaders: The Roman authorities, rather than Jewish law, frequently appointed and dismissed the High Priest (the head of the Sanhedrin).
- Political Fractures: The council was bitterly divided between the aristocrat ** you do not have permission to see this link **.
- Loss of Capital Power: Around 30 CE, Rome stripped the Sanhedrin of its authority to independently execute capital punishment.
I think Jesus in Revelation is a composite character of historical fact, the same way that I think Moses is a composite character (same-named son.) Apparently my AI told me today that its an ancient literary form to stitch a dynasty into one composite character.
Imo Revelation makes “the son and the father one” by mushing together Christ + Lord God Savior (this is what the names of Nabataean Father and Son Kings Malichus and Rabbel Soter effectively mean.)
Revelation seems to talk about the public works post 70 CE that are concurrent with accepting the Jewish refugees into Auranitis, Petra, Adiabene, and Edessa, big water and grain projects. Ofc I think the underground city Midyat, or something like it, is mentioned.
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