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Campbellian Concepts: Jesus is a Composite Character of Historical Fiction and DR. JAMES TABOR, "Saved by Faith" 150 Years BEFORE Jesus
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Steefen
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February 11, 2024 - 9:45 pm

And your conclusion was, “I recognize the similarity” and that’s it?

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Robert
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February 11, 2024 - 10:12 pm
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Steefen
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February 14, 2024 - 10:43 pm

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Dead Sea Scrolls (DSS): Follow a correct teacher
Jesus movement also follows a correct teacher
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DSS – Teacher and Messianic until two Messiahs: a priest and a king
Jesus Movement: Teacher until the Son of Man
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DSS: You will be saved by your faith in the covenant-bringing and suffering Teacher of Righteousness who connects to Isaiah 53.
Jesus Movement: You will be saved by your faith in the covenant-bringing and suffering Teacher of Righteousness who connects to Isaiah 53.

The Thanksgiving Hymns 10-17 were actually written by the DSS Teacher.
He applies Isaiah 53 to himself.
At a later time, Isaiah 53 is taken from the Teacher of Righteousness and applied to Jesus as if it were only his, first.

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DSS – The Community Rule: Prepare the way in the desert
John the Baptist: Preparing the Way in the wilderness

Bart:
Doesn’t that suggest that Jesus was an Essene?
Steve Campbell author of Historical Accuracy
seeing what Dr. James Tabor said (2024) wrote about Jesus and the DSS

It suggests that in constructing a composite character of historical fiction, Jesus, something was, or some things were lifted from the DSS.

BART D. EHRMAN
Not for me, no.

The differences between Jesus’ apocalyptic perspective and it’s implications for life are far too significant. (the fact that later Xns applied Isa 53 to Jesus doesn’t have any bearing with where Jesus himself started out). I think the problem with reconstructing history is that we are always tempted to take the several sources that survive out of hundreds that once existed and try to figure out how to connect their dots by direct correlation, rather than realize that there were lots of groups with some similarities and lots of differences (rather than, say, just two or three groups)

Steefen
“Later Christians applied Isaiah 53 to Jesus,” you say, Bart?

Google, did Jesus refer to Isaiah 53?

Jesus directly quotes and applies Isaiah 53:12 to himself in Luke 22:37. Mark 10:45, quoted above, is not a direct quotation of Isaiah 53, but alludes to it with the theme of serving “many” through death. These two passages provide examples of Jesus’ self-understanding as the servant of Isaiah 53.
– Wikipedia entry: Isaiah 53

So, relating Isaiah 53 to the DSS teacher and to Jesus, the teacher, happened before later Christians applied Isaiah 53 to Jesus–and it does have a bearing where the Jesus narrative begins relying not just on Q and Oral Tradition. Is it not textual criticism for there to be an intertextual.bible website that compares gospels to DSS?
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Second, one cannot look to hypothetical other groups when there are numerous ties to the DSS community.

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The DSS, Jesus, and Paul want an individual to become a child of light rather than a child of darkness.

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The DSS (150 years before Jesus) and the biblical Jesus wanted community members to become members of a new covenant.

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