I think it’s obvious to anyone not blinded by the mythic Christ that Jesus couldn’t do miracles in Nazareth because people remembered him as a boy, and were less apt to be impressed by him. But we only get the tiniest glimpse of this in Mark, Matthew basically copies Mark, Luke smooths it over, and John ignores it.
And that tells the story. They didn’t think he was God, or divinely begotten, at first. But they did think he could work miracles (like rising from the dead). So it’s not they thought he was an ordinary man, but they certainly thought of him as a man, and he wasn’t the only faith healer in Palestine. Entirely possible John the Baptist had a rep for that as well, but his followers didn’t write stories down that we know of.
I’m not suspicious. I’m just seeing the obvious. If Jesus hadn’t been crucified, and if his followers hadn’t had visions of him risen, we’d never have heard of him.
But I also see what a remarkable person he must have been, and sometimes I let myself suspect that God meant for all this to happen, so that we’d remember the genuine truths Jesus had to tell, which had nothing to do with magic tricks, virgin births, and empty tombs.
So nobody is happy with me. :\
godspell said
I think it’s obvious to anyone not blinded by the mythic Christ that Jesus couldn’t do miracles in Nazareth because people remembered him as a boy, and were less apt to be impressed by him. But we only get the tiniest glimpse of this in Mark, Matthew basically copies Mark, Luke smooths it over, and John ignores it.And that tells the story. They didn’t think he was God, or divinely begotten, at first. But they did think he could work miracles (like rising from the dead). So it’s not they thought he was an ordinary man, but they certainly thought of him as a man, and he wasn’t the only faith healer in Palestine. Entirely possible John the Baptist had a rep for that as well, but his followers didn’t write stories down that we know of.
I’m not suspicious. I’m just seeing the obvious. If Jesus hadn’t been crucified, and if his followers hadn’t had visions of him risen, we’d never have heard of him.
But I also see what a remarkable person he must have been, and sometimes I let myself suspect that God meant for all this to happen, so that we’d remember the genuine truths Jesus had to tell, which had nothing to do with magic tricks, virgin births, and empty tombs.
So nobody is happy with me. :\
Not true!
godspell said
I think it’s obvious to anyone not blinded by the mythic Christ that Jesus couldn’t do miracles in Nazareth because people remembered him as a boy, and were less apt to be impressed by him. But we only get the tiniest glimpse of this in Mark, Matthew basically copies Mark, Luke smooths it over, and John ignores it.And that tells the story. They didn’t think he was God, or divinely begotten, at first. But they did think he could work miracles (like rising from the dead). So it’s not they thought he was an ordinary man, but they certainly thought of him as a man, and he wasn’t the only faith healer in Palestine. Entirely possible John the Baptist had a rep for that as well, but his followers didn’t write stories down that we know of.
I’m not suspicious. I’m just seeing the obvious. If Jesus hadn’t been crucified, and if his followers hadn’t had visions of him risen, we’d never have heard of him.
But I also see what a remarkable person he must have been, and sometimes I let myself suspect that God meant for all this to happen, so that we’d remember the genuine truths Jesus had to tell, which had nothing to do with magic tricks, virgin births, and empty tombs.
So nobody is happy with me. :\
I disagree with you and so does Bart. All 4 Gospels present Jesus as divine. Bart agrees with this
Damian King said
I disagree with you and so does Bart. All 4 Gospels present Jesus as divine. Bart agrees with this
Bart ? Where? He wrote a book called How Jesus Became a God presenting development of Christology from Mark to John and later to Trinity. Bart disagree with this.
Bart’s colleagues agrees with this. They published at the same time How God Became a Jesus.
That was a great move – double income, one marketing campaign.
They all are playing us in a clever way. I love it.
Bart explains that it was widely believed then that mortal beings could become divine through the intervention of higher powers. God was the higher power. Jesus was the mortal man. it took centuries for people to think of Jesus as a higher power himself.
And it took millennia for people to become stupid enough to think he didn’t exist at all, and come up with crazed conspiracy theories about how pagan Romans created the religion that eventually replaced them.
Such a nice pair you make.
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godspell said
Bart explains that it was widely believed then that mortal beings could become divine through the intervention of higher powers. God was the higher power. Jesus was the mortal man. it took centuries for people to think of Jesus as a higher power himself.And it took millennia for people to become stupid enough to think he didn’t exist at all, and come up with crazed conspiracy theories about how pagan Romans created the religion that eventually replaced them.
Such a nice pair you make.
😀
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