first question, does the gospel of mark have a deistic view of God?
for example:
God is just a “trigger,” but he does not have absolute control over everything, for this reason he can give his powers to others to control storms, sea , sun and moon?
second question, did Gods TRANSFER their powers to created beings?
Is there a difference between UNLIMITED power and authority ?
According to Mark, what actually gets you the miracle? FAITH or Jesus?
quote :
1. They clearly did not see Jesus as Yhwh when they woke him up.
2. They are worried that they would drown and Jesus would drown, not that Jesus has ability to calm storm.
“have you STILL no faith?”
this question implies that if they had FAITH, they would not need to wake up Jesus to calm the storm, they could have done it themselves.
Mark 11:23 (NRSV)
20 In the morning as they passed by, they saw the fig tree withered away to its roots. 21 Then Peter remembered and said to him, “Rabbi, look! The fig tree that you cursed has withered.” 22 Jesus answered them, “Have[** you do not have permission to see this link **] it, and it will be yours.
compare this to the verse about calming the storm. Jesus says something to the storm, in Mark 11:23 he tells Peter to say something to the mountain .
I do not see that Mark is identifying Jesus as Yhwh.
Moses:
For, since God judged him worthy to appear as a partner of His own possessions, He gave into his hands the whole world as a portion well fitted for His heir. Therefore, each element obeyed him as its master, changed its natural properties and submitted to his command… (Vit Mos 1.155-156)
QUOTE :
Compare the similar language in Mk 4.41: ‘Who then is this, that even the wind and the sea obey him?’ I’d use Greek, Alan, but it’s a bit of a hassle right now. Nevertheless, the linguistic similarities are there if you check. Another text (sometimes noted) is the description of the anointed figure in 4Q521: ‘[for the heav]ens and the earth will listen to his anointed one…’
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this sounds like deistic concept of God.
Mark’s Jesus made it very clear that anyone with sufficient faith could do the same miracles as himself. He told people he healed that they had healed themselves. If he’s YHWH, so’s everybody else, at least potentially.
He has no power in his own right. Is how he sees it. And this explains why he can’t do much of anything in his hometown, because their lack of belief in him affects his belief in himself. Now we can’t say how much of this happened as Mark describes it, but clearly Mark is not describing God. He’s describing a man who can wield the power of God through faith, but only so long as his faith remains strong. And is capable of doubting himself and God, when put to a horrible test.
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