Bart Ehrman Blog Readers Forum

A A A
Forum Scope


Match



Forum Options



Min search length: 3 characters / Max search length: 84 characters
Lost password?
sp_TopicIcon
does Pilates wondering make sense?
Avatar
godspell

1827 Posts
(Offline)
41
December 19, 2019 - 9:06 am

If I saw any.

Avatar
Robert
7056 Posts
(Offline)
42
December 19, 2019 - 9:13 am
Avatar
godspell

1827 Posts
(Offline)
43
December 19, 2019 - 9:17 am

Argument about what?  Be specific.  We’ve ranged around a bit. 

Avatar
godspell

1827 Posts
(Offline)
44
December 19, 2019 - 9:23 am

You don’t even know what you were asking me, do you?  🙂

Avatar
Robert
7056 Posts
(Offline)
45
December 19, 2019 - 9:25 am
Avatar
godspell

1827 Posts
(Offline)
46
December 19, 2019 - 9:26 am

Is precisely what I’m wondering about you.  🙂

Avatar
Robert
7056 Posts
(Offline)
47
December 19, 2019 - 9:28 am
Avatar
godspell

1827 Posts
(Offline)
48
December 19, 2019 - 9:44 am

Okay, now I understand what you were asking.  And am marveling somewhat at how obscurely you asked it.  As if it should be obvious.  It was not. 

And honestly, looking back over my previous responses, I’m not sure what more I could say.  I was not saying that I thought it was impossible your idea was wrong–and you seem to have said that you’re not at all sure it’s right.  My point is, simply, there is more reason to think Aramaic or Hebrew sources would be lost than Greek sources, since there would have continued to be many Christians who knew Greek.  Probability is never the same thing as certainty.  And ideas spitballed around on a forum like this are never scholarship, so why do I have to defend my suggestion like it’s a doctoral thesis? 

Avatar
Robert
7056 Posts
(Offline)
49
December 19, 2019 - 9:51 am
Avatar
godspell

1827 Posts
(Offline)
50
December 19, 2019 - 9:54 am

What exactly were you arguing?  Spell it out.  In simple language, explain how you think the story of Joseph of Arimathea might have come into being in a Greek-speaking Jewish Christian community.  And if that isn’t what you were arguing, then I give up. 

As to ‘argument from silence’: pretty sure that’s what scholars like Bart Ehrman do when they point out that Paul and Mark never mention the Virgin Birth. 

Avatar
Robert
7056 Posts
(Offline)
51
December 19, 2019 - 9:17 pm
Avatar
godspell

1827 Posts
(Offline)
52
December 20, 2019 - 5:50 am

Okay, but you still haven’t explained anything.  I can understand it might take a while.  One way or other, there would have to be a source, written or not.  So you are appealing to something that’s been lost.  

Roger David Aus has a pretty good explanation, and we already discussed that on an earlier thread–guess we both forgot.

And his explanation has nothing to do with Greek.  It relates to the OT.  And Moses.  And if I get a chance later today, I’ll try to lay it out here.  

Avatar
Robert
7056 Posts
(Offline)
53
December 20, 2019 - 6:11 am
Avatar
godspell

1827 Posts
(Offline)
54
December 20, 2019 - 6:17 am

Then it’s a miracle.  🙂

Avatar
Robert
7056 Posts
(Offline)
55
December 20, 2019 - 6:22 am
Avatar
Robert
7056 Posts
(Offline)
56
December 20, 2019 - 6:51 am
Avatar
godspell

1827 Posts
(Offline)
57
December 20, 2019 - 7:05 am

Well, let’s see.  I have the book on my desk at work.  What happened then was (as you may now recall) you and Vergari were getting a bit heated, and he asked me for more details, but by the time I got to the thread it was on the previous page, and I never answered his question. 

Stories don’t just appear out of thin air.  Somebody had to come up with it.  That would be a source.  Unless you mean something different by that word?  

Avatar
Robert
7056 Posts
(Offline)
58
December 20, 2019 - 7:17 am
Avatar
Robert
7056 Posts
(Offline)
59
December 20, 2019 - 9:01 am
Avatar
godspell

1827 Posts
(Offline)
60
December 20, 2019 - 9:02 am

I know, it’s always someone else’s fault.  Strangely, you seem more comfortable with the likes of Steefen and bren. 

vergari left, because obsessives make for bad conversationalists.  I’ll be gone early next year, for the same reason.  Now let me take a look at Aus’ book–

Forum Timezone: America/Indiana/Indianapolis
All RSSShow Stats
Administrators:
BDEhrman
FreedomBen
evgendob
Robert
Top Posters:
Steefen: 7640
Stephen: 4488
Porphyry: 1834
godspell: 1827
DavidFord: 1323
brenmcg: 1184
BJH1960: 1148
Colin Milton: 1142
JAS: 948
Jarek: 936
Newest Members:
mgrandy64
jeffweng
Dmanny1204
Bercan
abreupedro
muk977
george3
Karrar21
Jeannie.INGRAHAM
Wolverine320
Forum Stats:
Groups: 2
Forums: 13
Topics: 2597
Posts: 45749

 

Member Stats:
Guest Posters: 65
Members: 65738
Moderators: 0
Admins: 4
Most Users Ever Online: 3559
Currently Online:
Guest(s) 173
Currently Browsing this Page:
1 Guest(s)