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IR_2017

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February 6, 2021 - 7:40 pm

matthew :

Jesus answered them, “Beware that no one leads you astray. For many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am the Messiah![** you do not have permission to see this link **] and they will lead many astray. 

 

Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look! Here is the Messiah!’[** you do not have permission to see this link **] and false prophets will appear and produce great signs and omens, to lead astray, if possible, even the elect

 

Take note, I have told you beforehand. 26 So, if they say to you, ‘Look! He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out. If they say, ‘Look! He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it.

 

Mark:

Many will come in my name and say, ‘I am he!’[** you do not have permission to see this link **] and they will lead many astray. 

 

 And if anyone says to you at that time, ‘Look! Here is the Messiah!’[** you do not have permission to see this link **] and false prophets will appear and produce signs and omens, to lead astray, if possible, the elect. 

 

questions:

 

why did matthew add specific locations? “inner rooms” 

“in the wilderness”  ?

 

are these verses talking about real humans pretending to be jesus ?

 

x will say y “is the christ” 

 

or x will say “i am the christ” ? 

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Stephen
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February 7, 2021 - 12:45 am

They’re  talking  about  real  humans pretending  to be the Messiah.    Apparently Jesus had competition.   Of course they’re assuming the other folks were pretending since  they were convinced  Jesus  was not.  Jesus’ own motivations and self-understanding are occluded to  us.    

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IR_2017

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February 7, 2021 - 12:29 pm

is it possible that there were those who were seeing imposter christs in the jewish scriptures?  

 

“look, he is HERE” ? 

 

 Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look! Here is the Messiah![** you do not have permission to see this link **] or ‘There he is!’—do not believe it. 

 

“They’re  talking  about  real  humans pretending  to be the Messiah.    Apparently Jesus had competition.”

 

any examples? 

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Jarek

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February 7, 2021 - 4:30 pm

Jesus is a counter messiah and counter emperor. It is hellenistic divine massiah and emperor. In fact he was accused by the Jews and crucified by the Romans because author was a Greek.

False Christs is a nice disavowing competition of author. The main product is one but offered by many parties with different description and version.

2Cor 11-4

For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the Spirit you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough.

This is direct warning from Paul

Matthew is using Jesus personally for indirect warning.

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Robert
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February 7, 2021 - 5:52 pm
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Stephen
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February 7, 2021 - 5:58 pm

“They’re  talking  about  real  humans pretending  to be the Messiah.    Apparently Jesus had competition.”

 

any examples? 

I  suppose  the biggie  would be ** you do not have permission to see this link **.

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Linda

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April 7, 2021 - 4:01 pm

Matthew was warning about those who would claim that Christ would be in some hidden around about place, the wilderness, an inner room etc. rather than being visibly seen as Christ taught he would be.  

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