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Idea vs Proof. Copernicus - Kepler, Atwill - Valliant & Fahy
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Jarek

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Excavating two large trenches near Bishop Auckland, experts say a silver ring from the site evidences Christianity in Roman Britain.

The walls of the bath, where features such as a bread oven nod to an important social as well as recreational space, would once have been covered with brightly-coloured paint designs, with the original floor, doorways, window openings and an inscribed altar dedicated to the Roman Goddess, Fortune the Home-bringer, also surfacing.

“The form of the ring and the shape of the stone seem to indicate a 3rd century date,” says Dr David Petts, who is co-ordinating a project which has entered a fifth week in its sixth year of investigations.

This is a surprisingly early date for a Christian object in Britain, as it predates the accession of Constantine in York in AD306

“The intaglio shows two fish hanging from an anchor. This has clear Christian connotations.

“It is found widely elsewhere in the Roman Empire, but this is only the second example from Britain; the other example coming from the colonia at York.

“It was under him that Christianity finally became a licit religion. Evidence for Roman Christianity is rare in Northern England, and evidence for pre-Constaninian Christianity is even rarer.

“This is a rather splendid find.”

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Two carp hanging from an anchor is not a match to a dolphin twisted ON an anchor, but this is interesting. I have a hard scope stop at 100 CE. The book I am writing has a very large scope from about 1678 BCE to 100 CE. As a writer, on very rare occasions do I care about anything after 100 CE. The Second and Third Jewish Roman Wars are a big part of those rare occasions.

Is a ring with two carp hanging from an anchor interesting? In the context of pre-Constantinian spread of Christianity in Britain, lightly, it is not pertinent to my work as a writer. Christian symbols during the Flavian era (Emperor Domitian reigned 81-96 CE).

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September 8, 2019 - 10:19 am

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Again, this is outside my scope and it is not Dolphin ON Anchor as the image from the Titus and Domitian coins.

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Not Dolphin ON Anchor but Anchor ON fish.

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September 8, 2019 - 10:37 am

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I am leaving this discussion because, for one, going forward, it is not valuable enough to my goal of completing my work.

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September 8, 2019 - 5:10 pm

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Not Dolphin ON Anchor but Anchor ON fish.  

What do you do when your pope ex-communicates everyone in your country?

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From whatever fair and far Valhalla in which he dwells, if you’re attentive, you may hear William Blake laughing whenever this song is sung by folks who clearly have no idea what the original lyric was really about.  

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Regarding Creating Christ

Decimating psudo-historian James Valliant and Warren Fahy after years ago I told Derek Lambert and Luther Williams I was not impressed with James Valliant’s book. I even posed a question to Bart Ehrman about it and Bart implied Valliant’s line of reasoning does not hold up. Luther and I are out of communication because he supported Derek and Valliant instead of me. And, that is part of the reason why Derek and I are not Facebook friends. Valliant is part of the reason why Derek didn’t promote me having a necessary conversation with Joseph Atwill.

Derek and Luther made so much about the Valliant Fahy book, I bought it. Then Derek had Atwill promoting Valliant’s effort. I was writing my own book, so I checked it out. I through it in the garbage. It was such a low quality book. There was NOTHING I could use in my study of the historical accuracy of the bible.

So this is where I start before watching this video.

Steve Campbell author of
Historical Accuracy
currently working on the second edition

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September 7, 2024 - 2:08 pm

25:26
Richard Carrier:
The first century catacombs are Vatican propaganda.

Steefen:
That’s probably going to affect “Catacombs of Flavia Domitilla.”

Flavius Clemens and Flavia Domitilla legend is bad history.

Jacob Berman:
Clemens and Clement are not the same person.

The video also purports to say the editor for Josephus was not the same person as the editor for Paul.

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September 7, 2024 - 2:33 pm

The 20 times Carrier had to ask the question was very bad.

Wow Derek backed Fahy/Valliant? This is bad for MythVision.

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September 8, 2024 - 12:51 am

I did the google search.
Where do I look for 17 unavailable hideos are hidden?

Derek left up some videos with Luther Williams.
Derek left up some videos with Robert Price.

It seems he removed the Valliant videos with Valliant having a poster board of the cover of his book.
He even removed the video of James Valliant talking about Jesus was Caesar by Francesco Carotta.
That was probably one of the 17.

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September 8, 2024 - 4:12 am
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September 8, 2024 - 1:55 pm

I see the link and it says what you say it says.

They have all been switched to Private video.

I searched youtube but I couldn’t reproduce the screen you got.

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Jose Atwill wrote to me and I shared p. 141 of my book, relevant section.

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