So I am thinking about how the Jesus’ Assembly formed in Jerusalem. So many talking about how apostles were just illiterate peasants but to me it’s in oppositions with their activity after the crucifixion, I mean here Peter, John and James (Yakob the brother of Jesus). They had lived in Galilee and all of a sudden ended up in the biggest most important city with James which had not been interested before becoming that great Jewish saint man James The Just followed by many. How was it achieved by illiterate peasants?
JAS said
Illiterate peasants are not allowed to go to Jerusalem? My guess would be that you just described most of the residents there.
Who said they’re not allowed? Take a barely literate redneck from a small village in the South of US and tell him to create a powerful religious or social movement in New York and become a revered figure like James the Just became.
I am still not sure what your intended point is. The apparent fact that such a modest movement became a world-wide force of significance probably is amazing . . . and some even consider it a kind of miracle. It is, of course, too much to assume that just because some outcome actually happened that it was inevitable or divinely determined.
JAS said
I am still not sure what your intended point is. The apparent fact that such a modest movement became a world-wide force of significance probably is amazing . . . and some even consider it a kind of miracle. It is, of course, too much to assume that just because some outcome actually happened that it was inevitable or divinely determined.
I’m not interested how Christianity started, but how the apocalyptic Jewish assembly created by James, Peter and John thrived in Jerusalem. I don’t even see them strongly pushing the figure of Jesus as a messiah which ascended to Heaven. James was known outside Jesus’ context.
sssboa said
So I am thinking about how the Jesus’ Assembly formed in Jerusalem. So many talking about how apostles were just illiterate peasants but to me it’s in oppositions with their activity after the crucifixion, I mean here Peter, John and James (Yakob the brother of Jesus). They had lived in Galilee and all of a sudden ended up in the biggest most important city with James which had not been interested before becoming that great Jewish saint man James The Just followed by many. How was it achieved by illiterate peasants?
Evidence it was achieved?
sssboa said
I’m not interested how Christianity started, but how the apocalyptic Jewish assembly created by James, Peter and John thrived in Jerusalem. I don’t even see them strongly pushing the figure of Jesus as a messiah which ascended to Heaven. James was known outside Jesus’ context.
It did? I don’t have evidence of it.
I’m not interested how Christianity started, but how the apocalyptic Jewish assembly created by James, Peter and John thrived in Jerusalem.
I live in a capital city, namely Wash DC, and there are expats here from everywhere. I think it would not be unreasonable to assume that there was a sizable Galilean community living in Jerusalem and that there would have been some support network available. And there was undoubtedly regular traffic between Jerusalem and the Galilee.
Stephen said
I’m not interested how Christianity started, but how the apocalyptic Jewish assembly created by James, Peter and John thrived in Jerusalem.I live in a capital city, namely Wash DC, and there are expats here from everywhere. I think it would not be unreasonable to assume that there was a sizable Galilean community living in Jerusalem and that there would have been some support network available. And there was undoubtedly regular traffic between Jerusalem and the Galilee.
Yeah. Cause someone had to sustain them, especially at first. Galilean community would be good explanation.
Stephen said
I live in a capital city, namely Wash DC, and there are expats here from everywhere. I think it would not be unreasonable to assume that there was a sizable Galilean community living in Jerusalem and that there would have been some support network available. And there was undoubtedly regular traffic between Jerusalem and the Galilee.
I think it is not only reasonable to assume that there was a Galilean community living in Jerusalem and some were supporters of Jesus but also that at least one of them was wealthy enough to own a house where activities such as the Last Supper took place. It also suggests that the disciples had no need to flee back to Galilee when Jesus was arrested.
It also suggests that the disciples had no need to flee back to Galilee when Jesus was arrested.
In Luke/Acts the disciples are in fact commanded to remain in Jerusalem. In Mark the disciples are told to go back to Galilee to await Jesus’ appearance. Matthew follows Mark. What actually happened we have no idea. It seems logical to suppose that some went back and some remained. From Paul we learn that at mid-century the leadership at least was located in Jerusalem.
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