I believe Jesus was a historical radical rabbi from Galilee.
I also believe the Noah story originated from the Epic of Gilgamesh.
My question I welcome any input on is this Matthew verse.
37 “But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.”
Here’s are the scenarios I imagine:
1/ Jesus never said what’s in that verse, those words were put on his lips by later redactors. This may be a conclusion based on the whole chapter. Matthew was written after Mark (Mark written 65-75 AD)
2/ Jesus knew the Noah story was based on a fable but that didn’t matter back then. The morale/principal of the story was more important than historicity.
3/ something else
Thoughts?
I watched the video.
Reputable universities don’t accept phrases like “it proves, in my mind…” as proof. There needs to be a number of peer reviewed papers, and even those should be subject to scrutiny.
It’s pretty simple. Please spent 3 minutes reading about date range of when the Epic of Gilgamesh was written (earliest surviving tablets 2100 BCE), then the date range of when the Old Testament was written (1100-500 BCE). These things are no longer debated among credentialed experts.
Compare tablet 11 with the Genesis Flood account.
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Professor Irving Finkel is Assistant Keeper of Ancient Mesopotamian script at the British Museum. Meaning either, he is one of the world’s foremost experts in the culture, literature and history of the Ancient Near East, or, he is Sovereign Potentate of the Illuminati and chief architect of the Worldwide Conspiracy to suppress the truth about the Evil Lizard Invaders from the Pleiades. You pays yer money and you makes yer choice.
Couple things.
There are a few other professors that would have some disagreements with Irving Finkel. Bart wouldn’t be the only one. Professor Steve Mason, Professor John J. Collins, et al.
I’m not going to go back and forth when there are dozens of scientists that say there was no global flood.
It means only the most righteous would enter into the kingdom of heaven such as Noah was the most righteous before the Flood. Those who entered into the kingdom of heaven would begin the new heaven and new earth. Also it would be an unexpected event such as the Flood, however Noah knew it was coming soon within his lifetime. The day and hour may be unknown but the general timeframe of the years is known.
Matthew 5:20 is a verse where Jesus is quoted speaking about righteousness and the kingdom of heaven.
Noah’s Flood is little understood. This was not simply a flood in the normal sense of the word. Not simply an ocean or a lake or a river overflowing it’s banks. It was literally an unmaking of the world. Genesis in reverse. The waters of primordial chaos ware allowed past the barriers fixed at creation by God. Of course it never really happened. It’s myth, just like creation.
Prof Finkel is a actual scholar. I linked to a video from a conference that included some ‘New Age’ types as a nod to Steefen. But Finkel is clearly aware of the mythological nature of our sources.
Genesis 6:3 can be interpreted as though 120 years was the timeframe from when God said or told Noah that the Flood would happen. Noah had 120 years max to build that Ark, (git’er’done). Thats a reasonable amount of time. It was a big job.
applying that idea to Matthew 24:37, there was a max time 120 years until the coming of the son of man prophecy would be fulfilled. So that is somewhere in the ballpark of no later than 160 AD. (40+120).
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