
I like this phrase
Leben Jesu Forschung
anyway to point / question
Seems to me there are two broad methods to approach the study of the historical Jesus
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One way is to doubt and be skeptical of all available sources and from there proceed to ascribe (ie add what we know,) about Jesus only those facts that are first pretty much undeniable, then extremely likely, highly probable, and so forth.
So in this methodology everything is suspect and we build up form there
first we get that he was crucified, followed by he was baptized by John, grew up in Nazareth, taught (assuming studied) morality based on Jewish scripture, had 12 primary disciples and so on and so forth
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The other method, and this is the method I ascribe to, is to accept all available sources and from there proceed to subtract those things that are absolutely impossible, all but one contradictory elements in the sources, extremely unbelievable stuff, highly unlikely elements, improbable stuff and so forth
so we start with trusting the gospels then remove the idea that his physical body, as we understand physical bodies reanimated and ascended to the sky, followed by removing the concept that he had no physical father, that his paternal grandfather was both Jacob and Heli, that he entered Jerusalem riding simultaneously on a colt and an ass, etc
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So the question(s) is(/are)
In comparing historical Jesus studies by good scholars (or even in talking to others on a blog), is recognizing the 2 opposing methodologies a valuable thing to consider?
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Is one method inherently better than the other?

Since I dont have much interest in learning historical nature of other ancient figures, other than Jesus, I would like to ask
Is former approach the usual method the historian employs when trying to reconstruct the historical Alexander , Augustus, Charlemagne, or even Washington, etc?
or is it unique to a unique method for the Jesus character?
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One way is to doubt and be skeptical of all available sources and from there proceed to ascribe (ie add what we know,) about Alexander only those facts that are first pretty much undeniable, then extremely likely, highly probable, and so forth.
So in this methodology everything is suspect and we build up form there
first we get that he was Macedonian, etc etc, , , , and so on and so forth

I don’t think, in the standard course of historical research about any given figure or event, I would say one starts out as “skeptical.” It’s not, in my experience, the historian’s inclination to just systematically doubt all claims to historical fact in ancient sources. That would render every source “guilty until proven innocent,” in a way, and undermine the credibility of all the sources at one’s disposal. This is especially precarious for ancient historical figures or events, because usually the evidence we do have is sparse. Like a historian of ancient and modern India once quipped to me: “trying to reconstruct ancient Indian history with the little archeological and textual evidence we have is like trying to do astronomy by shining a penlight into outer space.” To render all sources suspect from the get-go is not, as understand it, the historian’s stance.
Instead of being initially “skeptical,” I think the historian, and in particular the ancient historian, is “agnostic.” There is archeological evidence or lack thereof, there is material culture evidence of other kinds or lack thereof, there is textual evidence or lack thereof. Competing claims and deductions are made, and then one goes about trying to reconstruct the most probable and consistent account of all the evidence. What the historian is doing is trying to work their way from a position of not knowing to a position of knowing the most probable course of events. But arriving at the most probable account is tricky, and it involves a lot of interpretation, conjecture, guesswork and preferring certain methodological approaches to others.
So I would think that a historian’s attitude toward the canonical Gospels, for instance, would be from the start–“Ok, we have these claims about historical fact here. How many of these can we verify, not verify or remain unsure about based on everything else we think most probable about the period?”
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