Steefen said
Porphyry said
So, what is the TL;DR, for those of us who don’t feel like clicking on the video without knowing what it is?
With that reply, you won’t be able to keep up with this thread/discussion.
My point was that given there is no conversation or thread to speak of at this point, I don’t yet have a reason to invest the upfront time necessary to be part of it.
If this is just one of your personal note-taking threads, I’m sorry to have interrupted.
If you were looking for engagement, and speaking only for myself, I’d be more inclined to do what is necessary to engage if I had some way to judge whether the video would be worth watching.
Steefen said
Some important points of the video.
from 2:00 to 2:24
The video speaks of the Essenes thinking of Christ analogically.
Golgatha, the place of the skull, then would be the human skull.
Pick up at 7:29.
In the title of the thread, there is “The Manger.”
In the video, go to the timestamp 09:00 The Psycho-Physical Seed Born Out Of The Solar Plexus (The Manger)
One component of treating your body well is to reduce stress.
Here is a tip: ** you do not have permission to see this link **.
Continue through the next time stamp.
John 6:35 and 6:48 (I am the bread of life verses)
I can pick up at 13:43 (probably the fourth time I am watching this, this time taking notes for the benefit of this quality thread which is so important because it is giving a high-quality interpretation of the Gospel.)
The historical Jesus interpretation is not the only interpretation that should be given to the Gospel.
The literal interpretation is not the only interpretation that should be given to the Gospel.
For these two reasons, this is a great thread for thought, comment, and discussion.
Robert said
Porphyry said
So, what is the TL;DR, for those of us who don’t feel like clicking on the video without knowing what it is?
Allegorical, astrological, etymological, and physiological interpretation of a few biblical & other ideas with a smattering of wild historical revisionism. Total nonsense.
Your response is not up to the quality I expect from ehrmanblog.org, especially, from an administrator. An administrator insulting members is poor and insulting particularly when one prefaces a thread with the importance a video has for a member.
Scholars and Christians are interested in the full truth of the Gospel. It is unfortunate you do not value this.
Hopefully, someone who has taken a deep dive into the Essenes can comment about a good book that speaks to the video.
I would like to comment on the video with good manners and intelligence instead of commenting poorly with “Total Nonsense.”
The video has prompted me to take an interest in Essene history more than I have already.
I will be the judge of what is historical revisionism vs. what is misleading orthodoxy. As Bart has set the objective for experiencing looking into Early Christianity with him, we are to think and not let poor argumentation and insults contribute to our conclusions.
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Steefen said
I will be the judge of what is historical revisionism vs. what is misleading orthodoxy. As Bart has set the objective for experiencing looking into Early Christianity with him, we are to think and not let poor argumentation and insults contribute to our conclusions.
cc: Bart Ehrman and Customer Service
Steefen, it isn’t easy being green (Kermit). I know. I am, too. A believer (What am I even doing here?!), it’s a privilege to be a member as there is much to learn and I enjoy it very much. But I know better than to push my beliefs. Robert has to keep The Forum viable for the general readership. Our outlandish contributions really must be curtailed for the good of The Forum.
Judith said
Steefen said
I will be the judge of what is historical revisionism vs. what is misleading orthodoxy. As Bart has set the objective for experiencing looking into Early Christianity with him, we are to think and not let poor argumentation and insults contribute to our conclusions.
cc: Bart Ehrman and Customer Service
Steefen, it isn’t easy being green (Kermit). I know. I am, too.
A believer (What am I even doing here?!), it’s a privilege to be a member as there is much to learn and I enjoy it very much. But I know better than to push my beliefs. Robert has to keep The Forum viable for the general readership. Our outlandish contributions really must be curtailed for the good of The Forum.
Judith,
I certainly am not green with this subject matter.
Second, if I were to use your choice of words, I “push” myself to be a wise old man (and a resource to others) about this subject matter.
There is no solitary confinement here that once you give Ehrman’s blog posts consideration, one becomes an outlander to general readership. No, I disagree with you there.
Sorry it offends you that yes, the history of astrology is not to be ignored. Astrology has survived where Jewish Apocalypticism (Jesus and Paul included) failed.
And, if the video at the top of this thread helps me hold on to the Gospel, you should be happy my rejection of the Gospel is not 100% complete. Not everyone who has valid reason to reject the Gospel are as loving of the Gospel as I am.
More than 20 years ago, The Temple of Man (Egyptology and physiological interpretations) by R.A. Schwaller de Lubicz was a book I read.
I disagree with Robert and you poo-poo’ing physiological interpretations of what is holy.
R. A. Schwaller de Lubicz (1887-1961) was one of the most important philosophers, mathematicians, and Egyptologists of this century. His elucidation of the temple at Luxor and his presentation of the Egyptian understanding of a special quality of innate consciousness form a bridge that links the sacred science of the Ancients to its rediscovery in our own time.
Quote:
The monumental Temple of Man represents the most important breakthrough in our understanding of Ancient Egypt since the discovery of the Rosetta Stone. This exhaustive and authoritative study reveals the depths of the mathematical, medical, and metaphysical sophistication
NOT “total nonsense”
of Ancient Egypt. Schwaller de Lubicz’s stone-by-stone survey of the temple of Amun-Mut-Khonsu at Luxor allows us to step into the mentality of Ancient Egypt and experience the Egyptian way of thinking within the context of their own worldview.
His study finds the temple to be an eloquent expression and summary–an architectural encyclopedia–of what the Egyptians knew of humanity and the universe. Through a reading of the temple’s measures and proportions, its axes and orientations, and the symbolism and placement of its bas-reliefs, along with the accompanying studies of related medical and mathematical papyri, Schwaller de Lubicz demonstrates how advanced the civilization of Ancient Egypt was, a civilization that possessed exalted knowledge and achievements both materially and spiritually. In so doing, Schwaller de Lubicz effectively demonstrates that Ancient Egypt, not Greece, is at the base of Western science, civilization, and culture.
To understand the temple of Luxor, twelve years of field work were undertaken with the utmost exactitude by Schwaller de Lubicz in collaboration with French archaeologist Clement Robichon and the respected Egyptologist Alexandre Varille. From this work were produced over 1000 pages of text and proofs of the sacred geometry of the temple and 400 illustrations and photographs that make up The Temple of Man.
The Temple of Man is a monument to inspired insight, conscientious scholarship, and exacting archaeological groundwork that represents a major contribution to humanity’s perennial search for self-knowledge and the prehistoric origins of its culture and science.
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This is the book published in 1981 I had more than 20 years ago.
Steefen said
Quote:
The monumental Temple of Man represents the most important breakthrough in our understanding of Ancient Egypt since the discovery of the Rosetta Stone. This exhaustive and authoritative study reveals the depths of the mathematical, medical, and metaphysical sophistication
NOT “total nonsense”
You are just quoting the publisher’s blurb for the book. Of course the publisher isn’t going to call it total nonsense on the dust jacket.
Porphyry said
Steefen said
Quote:
The monumental Temple of Man represents the most important breakthrough in our understanding of Ancient Egypt since the discovery of the Rosetta Stone. This exhaustive and authoritative study reveals the depths of the mathematical, medical, and metaphysical sophistication
NOT “total nonsense”
You are just quoting the publisher’s blurb for the book. Of course the publisher isn’t going to call it total nonsense on the dust jacket.
I have attended a lecture sponsored by ARCE: American Research in Egypt and have spoken 1-on-1 with members. I also have taken other initiatives to do some knowledge acquisition in Egyptology.
From your first comment in this thread, you have shown yourself as one who could care less to make an effort to make a serious and supported opinion about this topic, let alone to make a serious and supported opinion about 12 years of field work at the Temple of Luxor.
I disagree with you.
You disagree with me.
We agree to disagree.
I cannot persuade you and you cannot persuade me.
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