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One Reason One Cannot Conclude the Biblical Jesus Was Historical: Both Jesus and Vespasian/Titus Travels from Galilee to Jerusalem and Sees the Destruction
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July 1, 2023 - 10:10 am

But it is not that simple. There’s more to it than that.

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Stephen Simon Kimondo
author of The Gospel of Mark and the Roman-Jewish War of 66-70 CE

Mark’s audience [after AD70] may have contrasted Jesus’ liberative activities on the Sea of Galilee with Vespasian’s horrific and catastrophic war events [during the Battle of Galilee].

[But,] Jesus’ rescue of his disciples from the deadly sea storm may well have evoked memories of …

It was also on the Mediterranean Sea that a VERY dramatic and catastrophic war event occurred. The Jews so had taken refuge at Joppa,
perished either because of the strong storm on the Mediterranean Sea or by the sword of the Romans as they tried to escape the sea storm.

Steve Campbell
Go to google and search: “Ancient Joppa map.”

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Jesus calming the sea refers to both of these events to readers of the Gospel of Mark, readers contemporary to AD70 and within 5 years after.

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July 1, 2023 - 12:18 pm

Stephen Kimondo, PhD
In 67 CE, Vespasian was hosted by Herod Agrippa II in Caesarea Philippi after his military successes. This happened shortly after Josephus’ prophecy that he would be emperor.
It is interesting that Jesus also passed in the villages of Caesarea Philippi and was proclaimed there as Messiah.

Mark 8:27 and 29
27Then Jesus and His disciples went on to the villages around Caesarea Philippi. On the way, He questioned His disciples: “Who do people say I am?”

29“But what about you?” Jesus asked. “Who do you say I am?” Peter answered, “You are the Christ.

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July 1, 2023 - 7:44 pm

What? Because Jesus was declared the Christ in Caesarea Philippi supposedly in the late 20s/early 30s, Vespasian has to fulfill the world leader prophecy in Caesarea Philippi?

Answer: Preposterous.

Rome undid/usurped a Jesus living during the reign of Emperor Tiberius?

Answer: No.

The gospel authors were only responding to the events of AD70.
The Biblical Jesus was NOT front of mind AD70.

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The fourth-century Church Fathers Eusebius of Caesarea and Epiphanius of Salamis cite a tradition that before the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70 the early Christians had been warned to flee to Pella in the region of the Decapolis across the Jordan River.
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The “Christians” were not around to tell people how to deal with the Tribulation ! ! !

Christians and Jesus were not around AD70 to make themselves relevant to gospel writers.

Who was speaking up the Jesus of the late 20s/early 30s from 65 – 70 AD?

Answer: Paul, “that wealth of Oral Tradition.”

The biblical Paul did not preach against rebels attacking Legion 12 Fulminata.
The followers of Paul might as well have also gone to Pella, for Josephus does not give history of Paul’s followers speaking against Jesus of Galilee (who lost the battle of Galilee). Where were the followers of Paul at the beginning of the Jewish Revolt and the Jewish Civil War?

Readers of Mark were not nodding their heads reflecting on Oral Tradition of Jesus of the late 20s/early 30s.

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