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Pre-Easter and Post-Easter Jesus -- are they real?
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drowsysurgeon

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March 6, 2020 - 11:18 am

Professor Ehrman,

In your works you often refer to what Jesus thought of Himself, and what Disciples thought of Jesus after the Resurrection. 

In the late 20th century Jesus Seminar, this came to be known as the “Pre-Easter Jesus” and the “Post-Easter Jesus.”

The basic idea is that Jesus did not think of Himself as God (Pre-Easter Jesus) but the Disciples later came to believe that Jesus was God (Post-Easter Jesus).   I gather that you generally sympathize with such an interpretation of the New Testament.

Yet there are two scholars (both from the historical tradition) who have challenged that 20th century interpretation.  I speak of the well-known Morton Smith (Jesus the Magician, 1970) and also the lesser-known Mark Matson (In Dialogue with Another Gospel?, 2002).

Briefly — Morton Smith argues that Jesus probably thought of Himself as Divine insofar as: (1) he could heal by his charisma; (2) healing in Judaism entailed forgiveness of sins; (3) nobody could forgive sins but God; and (4) even great men in the first century lived in a mythological universe, e.g. Josephus and Vespasian.

Briefly — Mark Matson argues that the Gospel of John influenced the Gospel of Luke, so that John cannot be as late as the 19th and 20th century scholars had argued.   His evidence is more than 100 texts where John and Luke agree against Mark and Matthew.   As only one example, John and Luke have the risen Jesus say, “Meet me in Jerusalem,” where Mark and Matthew have the risen Jesus say, “Meet me in Galilee.”

I find these arguments — both from very different perspectives — to be persuasive.  Do you have an opinion about them?

Thank you,

–Paul Trejo

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godspell

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March 6, 2020 - 11:41 am

You should post this on the main blog.  Bart doesn’t typically respond to questions here.  Not sure he even finds time to read posts here very often. 

Bart has made it very clear he agrees with the mainstream scholarly opinion that John came last–even Richard Bauckham, who believes the Gospel of John was written by the Apostle John, believes it was written last, as its author reached the end of his life.  (Bart doesn’t agree with this either.)

There were faith healers in the OT tradition–Elijah and Elisha both raise the dead.  So wouldn’t they be divine as well? 

Jesus, as I interpret it, believed people healed themselves through faith.  Anyone with sufficient faith could perform the same and even greater miracles than he did.  No one born of woman is greater than John the Baptist–yet the least in the Kingdom of Heaven is greater.  Meaning that Jesus (also born of a woman) is not greater than John, and therefore everyone in the Kingdom will be greater than Jesus is when he speaks these words. 

“Divine” is a very fluid word, that can mean many different things to many different people.  Bart is actually discussing this in his latest blog post.  I would again suggest you post your question there. 

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Judith

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March 6, 2020 - 2:09 pm

godspell said
You should post this on the main blog.  Bart doesn’t typically respond to questions here.  Not sure he even finds time to read posts here very often. 
.  I would again suggest you post your question there.   

I agree with godspell.

Just remember to make it short. Dr. Ehrman allots a mere hour for writing his post and answering all the questions.

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