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Robert M. Price and Ehrman to debate the historicity of Jesus?
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Steefen
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February 17, 2015 - 11:28 pm

SWerdal said
And now this, just in…  kinky sex still sells better than the Mel Gibson historical Jesus.

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The wikipedia comment is off topic, imho.

Shades of Grey is off topic, imho.

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beautifulgorilla256

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February 17, 2015 - 11:37 pm

Steefen, I’m sorry but that is clearly what Jesus meant.  Its what the Disciples thought and also Paul. OK they were all wrong but that suggests that Jesus was wrong too.   I cannot imagine Paul thinking it was some other future generation.  Jesus continually asked others, “Just who do you think that I am”

Clearly Jesus didn’t know the answer but Son of Man was one name he used for himself.  Of course Christian Theologists will argue till the cows come home, all that meant something else.  CS Lewis, said those verses were the most embarrassing of all the text in the NT because it was explicit and was uttered not just once. And because nothing happened as nothing as ever happened when apocalyptic preachers makes some future prophesy about the end days and looks at Wiki where there is a page full of them.

But you know…It could all be rectified in one second. The ‘risen’ Jesus could show himself today to every person in the world if need be. He did to Paul apparently, so why nobody else since?  Not even Muhammad?

The ball really is in his court as Thomas Paine said. Doubting Thomas didn’t believe the resurrection of Jesus and had to be shown the wounds and so why would God or Jesus condemn anyone else for having the same doubts that he did and thus want proof?

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February 17, 2015 - 11:54 pm

I said Jesus could appear to every human being on the planet today, But lets narrow that down. He could appear to all the world’s political and Church leaders at the same time.   My wife thinks the reason none of this happens is because God seeks destruction of humankind apart from a chosen few in each generation, selected before the creation of the world.  In fact doesn’t Genesis say God wishes he had not created man?

This is bordering on Jehova’s witnesses beliefs and the end days are when 144,000 people are saved. The numbers game that Bart is alluding to at the moment. One would expect the Risen Jesus to make the occasional appearance wouldn’t one?  ;)

But my wife was brought up as a Christian by Christian believing parents and like most Christians, nothing will shake her beliefs no matter what!   Same as Muslims, Jews, Hundu’s, etc etc.

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March 27, 2015 - 7:47 pm

SWerdal said
I’m in camp with you. But i think the mythicists have a hurdle they’ll never clear (or ten). I have to confess i did not read either Ehrman/s book on this, or Carrier’s, et al; however, I watched a few of Carrier’s debates against minor leaguers on utube and thought he was thoroughly thrashed on the James/brother passages. Damned inconvenient to their central thesis. Hard to disappear Peter and John as well in their few crossings with Paul. 

 

I’m with you Swer, I’m pretty sure Bart will thrash Price.
I like Robert Price, but he’s too quick to draw conclusions.
I recently saw him in a video, four faces of Jesus or something like that.
Price’s examples were terrible. He tried to use the analogy of Marvel
comics and Superman. Everyone knows Superman was invented, but that is precisely
the question with Jesus. There was only one time I saw anyone give prof Ehrman a
hard time and that was Peter Williams. Note, that doesn’t mean I think Ehrman
lost, but he tends to phone it in sometimes.

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@manx
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April 1, 2015 - 8:28 pm

Rather than repost here can i point to post 15 in this thread :

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Which fits this thread equally well @manx

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