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The Hebrew Name for Jesus: Yeshu vs Yeshua (and the lack of Jewish evidence for Jesus)
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Neurotheologian

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March 17, 2019 - 5:58 pm

Dear Bart

I understand that one of the principal reasons why ‘Yeshu’ has been rejected by scholars in favour ‘Yeshua’ as the putative Hebrew name by which Jesus was known by his discples and family is that Yeshu was used as a curse by Jewsish rabbis in the early centuries after Christ, because the Hebrew letters for Yeshu י ש ו can be seen as an acronym for ‘yimakh shemo ve zikhro’ ( יִמַּח שְׁמוֹ  וְזִכְרוobliterate ( his name and his memory”. 

Now, Paul describes Jesus as being made a curse for us.  Also, the obvious transliteration of Yeshu into Greek (without unneccessarily adding syllables) would be Jesus or Jesu – Ἰησοῦς Iēsous.  Isn’t it therefore more likely that Jesus’s disciples and the early Hebrew Christians knew Jesus as Yeshu, a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Greeks? (1Cor 1:23 ) 

I also can’t help noticing the ironic coincidence of the fact that just as Christians can’t be sure how Jesus was pronounced by his family and friends, Jewish people have also forgotton how YHVH should be pronounced.

Angus

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March 19, 2019 - 2:44 am

He became a curse for us’ (Gal 3:13).    Maybe the reason for the paucity of Jewish evidence for Jesus has something to do with the success of the  ‘yimakh shemo ve zikhro’ curse (‘may his name and memory be obliterated’), rather than because Jesus was not as very well known in his own day?  Surely he must have been well known after all that happened in relations to him in both in Galillee and Jerusalem?  Perhaps there was indeed a very effective ban on talking or writing about Jesus that may even have constrained Josephus to the one tiny reference in his magnum opus.  Maybe that’s just wishful thinking?  However, we certanly know from Paul’s letters and from Acts that early Jewish Christians were persecuted by the Jewish religious authorities and Paul was hated so much by the more ardent Jews that they tried to lynch him and kill him.  This seems to be because they thought he was trying to do away with the the centre of of the Jewish religion – the law of Moses.  Arguably, he was!   Likewise, the highly respected brother of Jesus, James the Righteous one, was killed by the Jewish authorities, despite his almost universal respectedness. Both these events, suggest that Jesus must have been well known among the Jews of his time, so the paucity of writing about him in later Jewish sources and in Josephus is strange indeed.

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May 7, 2019 - 9:06 am
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May 7, 2019 - 6:22 pm

All very informative, Robert thank you.  I sense that you are probably right about a there being nascent Christians ready to accept the resurrection story one it was broadcast to explain the early success of ‘resurrection Christainity’- perhaps the converts of the misssion of the 70 and others who actually heard Jesus preach.  And yes it was perhps more a perception among non-Christian jews and Jewish Christians that Paul was trying to destroy the law – they were really after his blood which is why he could never fullfill his desire to be the apostle to his own people but had to accept being the apostle to the gentlies – he made bloody good job of that role though 🙂

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May 9, 2019 - 3:21 am

I note from a Wikipedia article on the Galillean dialect ** you do not have permission to see this link ** , that according to David Flusser, “The Hebrew name for Jesus , Yeshu, is evidence for the Galilean pronunciation of the period, and is in no way abusive   […]..and that the short name Yeshu for Jesus in the Talmud was ‘almost certainly’ a dialect form of Yeshua, based on the swallowing of the ayin noted by Paul Billerbeck, but most scholars follow the traditional understanding of the name as a polemical reduction”

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