I have a fundamentalist friend that doesn’t believe Jesus was a peasant preacher. His evidence for his theory is that Jesus was given Gold, Frankinsense & Myrrh which were expensive items used to finance his ministry and the fact that Romans cast lots, gambled, to see who would get his clothes at his crucifixion would indicate his clothes were made of fine linen or silks and not ordinary clothes.
I mean his theory sounds plausible, if the story of the Three Magi is true, I have my doubts, I always wondered what the family did with the gold.
Liam Foley said
I have a fundamentalist friend that doesn’t believe Jesus was a peasant preacher. His evidence for his theory is that Jesus was given Gold, Frankincense & Myrrh which were expensive items used to finance his ministry and the fact that Romans cast lots, gambled, to see who would get his clothes at his crucifixion would indicate his clothes were made of fine linen or silks and not ordinary clothes.I mean his theory sounds plausible, if the story of the Three Magi is true, I have my doubts, I always wondered what the family did with the gold.
The only question is can he demonstrate that those stories are historically accurate. You can begin with whether each is reported by multiple sources Not sure, but I think The Magi are only reported in one gospel.
Is the story of gambling simply midrash on Ps. 22:17-18?
So is he one of those wealth ministry types? If so what does he do with the camel passing through a needle’s eye passage?
Yeah Jesus ran a mega synagogue out in the suburbs of Nazareth – theater style seating, candy for the kids – the whole shebang. And that “eye of a needle” passage has always been mistranslated by liberal scholars. What it really said was ‘In the Kingdom of Heaven a rich man’s camel will be able to go through the eye of a needle”. (It makes more sense in the original Aramaic.)
Liam let me guess. Your buddy is a Republican, right?
Stephen said
Liam let me guess. Your buddy is a Republican, right?
Stephen said
Yeah Jesus ran a mega synagogue out in the suburbs of Nazareth – theater style seating, candy for the kids – the whole shebang. And that “eye of a needle” passage has always been mistranslated by liberal scholars. What it really said was ‘In the Kingdom of Heaven a rich man’s camel will be able to go through the eye of a needle”. (It makes more sense in the original Aramaic.)Liam let me guess. Your buddy is a Republican, right?
Dude, it was Eye of the Tiger. Get it right!
Stephen said
Yeah Jesus ran a mega synagogue out in the suburbs of Nazareth – theater style seating, candy for the kids – the whole shebang. And that “eye of a needle” passage has always been mistranslated by liberal scholars. What it really said was ‘In the Kingdom of Heaven a rich man’s camel will be able to go through the eye of a needle”. (It makes more sense in the original Aramaic.)Liam let me guess. Your buddy is a Republican, right?
Oh, yes he is a very conservative Republican.
Liam Foley said
Stephen said
Yeah Jesus ran a mega synagogue out in the suburbs of Nazareth – theater style seating, candy for the kids – the whole shebang. And that “eye of a needle” passage has always been mistranslated by liberal scholars. What it really said was ‘In the Kingdom of Heaven a rich man’s camel will be able to go through the eye of a needle”. (It makes more sense in the original Aramaic.)Liam let me guess. Your buddy is a Republican, right?
Oh, yes he is a very conservative Republican.
Not many fundamentalist liberals out there. But being Republican doesn’t make you any more receptive to wealth schemes. N more than being a democrat makes you more receptive to free lunches.
spiker said
Not many fundamentalist liberals out there.
No but the fundamentalists have not always so closely identified with right wing republican politics either.
But being Republican doesn’t make you any more receptive to wealth schemes. N more than being a democrat makes you more receptive to free lunches.
Well reputations always eventually descend into caricatures. And folks have been worshipping Christ while ignoring all his teachings from day one.
spiker said
Liam Foley said
Stephen said
Yeah Jesus ran a mega synagogue out in the suburbs of Nazareth – theater style seating, candy for the kids – the whole shebang. And that “eye of a needle” passage has always been mistranslated by liberal scholars. What it really said was ‘In the Kingdom of Heaven a rich man’s camel will be able to go through the eye of a needle”. (It makes more sense in the original Aramaic.)Liam let me guess. Your buddy is a Republican, right?
Oh, yes he is a very conservative Republican.
Not many fundamentalist liberals out there. But being Republican doesn’t make you any more receptive to wealth schemes. N more than being a democrat makes you more receptive to free lunches.
This person often does hold some beliefs out of the main stream of Christianity and this is a good example. Most scholars believe Jesus was poor this guy doesn’t.
Liam Foley said
I have a fundamentalist friend that doesn’t believe Jesus was a peasant preacher. His evidence for his theory is that Jesus was given Gold, Frankinsense & Myrrh which were expensive items used to finance his ministry and the fact that Romans cast lots, gambled, to see who would get his clothes at his crucifixion would indicate his clothes were made of fine linen or silks and not ordinary clothes.I mean his theory sounds plausible, if the story of the Three Magi is true, I have my doubts, I always wondered what the family did with the gold.
There’s a simple answer to this. First, ask him if he thinks Jesus was a hypocrite. Second, tell him, for the sake of argument, let’s say that, as outlandish as it seems, the story of the Three Magi is true. Then follow that by saying that if so, and Jesus wasn’t really poor then he must have been the biggest hypocrite who every lived, a false god and the founder of a money-grubbing flim-flam religion.
Finally, tell him to remember all those things while reflecting on what Jesus Christ himself said in Matthew 19:21. Then, if it was me, just to get a dig in, I’d say “I eagerly anticipate your rationalization of the words of our poor Holy Savior”.
Stephen said
spiker saidNot many fundamentalist liberals out there.
No but the fundamentalists have not always so closely identified with right wing republican politics either.
But being Republican doesn’t make you any more receptive to wealth schemes. N more than being a democrat makes you more receptive to free lunches.
Well reputations always eventually descend into caricatures. And folks have been worshipping Christ while ignoring all his teachings from day one.
Damned Skippy!
It’s also instructive that debates over evolution are sometimes fought over a purported distinction between Macro and Micro evolution. The point is less about whether the distinction is meaningful than about the fact that fundies are starting to play in the right ball field. Another century or two and they might accept the insights of modern medicine!
Greg Matthews said Finally, tell him to remember all those things while reflecting on what Jesus Christ himself said in Matthew 19:21. Then, if it was me, just to get a dig in, I’d say “I eagerly anticipate your rationalization of the words of our poor Holy Savior”.
LOL!
People can twist and turn all kinds of stuff to fit their pet theory! One Christian recently told me that, we could still be living in the end days despite the fact that the language is pretty clear that the anticipated end was within a generation and that saying otherwise simply obliterates the purpose of communication. Can you imagine if you were supposed to meet someone at 3:00, they don’t show up and when you run into them 6 months later, they say oh yea but I meant next Thursday!
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