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Was the historical Jesus anti-gentile?
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addekallstrom

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April 12, 2021 - 1:43 pm

Hi all! 

First of all, I made this account to ask this question because I didn’t know where else to turn to. I have listened to Bart Ehrman’s lectures for the better part of a year now and I’m very fascinated with biblical studies even though I come from a very secular upbringing and have no formal training. As a result, sometimes I have questions that might have been answered several hundred years ago that I just haven’t heard about. Now, this question will require some context for me to explain my position, but at the end of the day I’m only asking: “Was the Historical Jesus anti-Gentile?” With that all out of the way, here we go:

(I will use KJV just because I can. It is not fundamental to my argument which version of the Bible I use).

From my understanding, the author of Luke/Acts (whom I will refer to as Luke) likes to take earlier sources and, while being quite liberal in cutting and pasting them, insert them as they are in the text. I offer two simple arguments forms this: For instance, Luke 4:23 reads “…whatsoever we have heard done in Capernaum, do also here in thy country”, even though Jesus first comes to Capernaum in Luke 4:31. Afaik, most scholars use this to imply that Luke has simply taken a story from Mark, cut and then copy-pasted it in different locations for his own purposes and all it really does is show how Luke’s process of compiling was: he cuts, but he does not remove. Another example of this is Stephens speech in Acts: in Acts 6:13 it is written “And set up false witnesses, which said, This man ceaseth not to speak blasphemous words against this holy place, and the law.” The speech is then recounted in Acts 7:1-50. Acts 7:48 reads: “Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet”, sounding very much like Stephen is actually pretty anti-Temple. In other words, how false were the false witnesses spoken of in Acts 6:13? 

This usually creates only very small and fairly inconsequential contradictions (if you could even call them contradictions) but does leave some hope of finding what is “behind the text”, as it were. 

Now, in most of Acts’ recounting of Paul’s journeys throughout the Roman empire, it’s very simply: To the Jew first. Given things like the Great Commission (in particular Matthew 28:19), I always found this fairly odd that there’s this focus on Jews by Paul when Jesus clearly seems to be all-inclusive and all-including regardless if you’re a jew or not in like 99% of all passages. Even in Luke 24:47 and Acts 1:8 there is a focus on “begin in Jerusalem, but go to the ends of the world”. Sure, one could take that to mean that Jerusalem is a symbol for Jews and that Jesus is saying that they should go to the Jews first, but at the same time it could just be of geographical convenience since, well, they are in Jerusalem and beginning in Rome would be fairly impractical. 

Jesus in the Gospels certainly have a lot of passages where he is very friendly towards Gentiles (e.g. the Great Commission), but there are some notable passages where he seems to be directly opposed to Gentiles such as Matthew 7:6 “Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you”; Matthew 15:26 “But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children’s bread, and to cast it to dogs” (same story in Mark 7:27 “But Jesus said unto her, Let the children first be filled: for it is not meet to take the children’s bread, and to cast it unto the dogs”). From my very simple understanding, it is more likely that Jesus said Matthew 15:26 than Matthew 28:19 because Matthew is unlikely to invent a saying of Jesus that is anti-Gentile, and at the same time he is likely to invent a saying that makes Jesus pro-Gentile. 

With all that background and context as I understand it, we can finally turn to my question:

The earliest church, say in late April 33 AD, was composed of some 11 disciples and a few women. Every single one Jewish. There are some hints that Jesus might have said that you shouldn’t cast pearls before swine. Would it be possible that the earliest missionary work, like in the first few weeks/months/years was focused only on Jews, as a Jewish sect, with no intention of including Gentiles. What would have happened is that Simon Peter, John Mark and Thomas the Doubter are running around in Jerusalem trying to convert Jews only, but find little success in relation to what they were expecting to for various reasons. However, for some reason, they find more success with Gentiles in relation to what they were expecting to. Maybe a Gentile overheard Peter arguing with a Jew at a market place and was like: “Wow, the Son of God?!! Can I join?” and first Peter is like: “No, Jews only”, but then that happens more and more.

Given that they find little success with Jews in relation to the success they find with Gentiles, the pragmatic branch of the movement slowly but surely starts adapting the movement to include Gentiles, and as the movement grows more they quickly start adding stories of how pro-Gentile Jesus was. For instance, as a nice gesture, Mark added how it was a Roman centurion who is the first human to recognize who Jesus was (Mark 15:39). One could imagine how Peter turned to Mark and said “Jesus said let the children first be filled, but despite that it was Gentiles who recognized who he was.” 

Furthermore, to get back to my whole schpiel about the Book of Acts, Paul constantly running “to the Jew first” and being rejected by Jews to only then turn to the Gentiles, could be another memory of how the earliest movement was purely Jewish, and including Gentiles was only a concession because Gentiles believed. The early church would have been split between James the brother of Jesus who was pro-Jew because Jesus was pro-Jew, and Paul who was simply a pragmatist. If Jesus was as open to Gentiles as is recorded in the Gospels, what grounds would James have to stand on for his anti-Gentile positions? How could he garner so much support within Jerusalem if Jesus had the clear pro-Gentile position he has in 99% of all passages where he addresses Gentiles? I find it more likely that Jesus was anti-Gentile and Paul was a renegade that left Jerusalem in search of pragmatism, and James was a more hardline “Jews-only” because that’s what Jesus taught. All passages supporting pro-Gentile views would have been stories created after the fact (say beginning in 35AD) by pragmatists that wanted to see the movement grow.

Thank you for reading my massive wall of text. If there is anything to discuss, I hope to see a civil discussion between grown adults, and if there’s a simple answer like “read Luke X:Y, there’s your answer”, I hope someone can point me towards that with civility as well!

 

Thank you.

Andreas

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Linda

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April 12, 2021 - 2:57 pm

Gentile proselytes were always welcome in the Jewish nation, Israel. Proselytes are Gentiles who converted to Judaism. Proselytes were among those who heard Peter speak, Acts 2:10. They were required to keep the Law including circumcision. 

It was that requirement that caused a stir in the early Christian congregation. Acts 15. Gentile converts to Christianity were released from that requirement and others. 

No, Jesus was not anti-gentile he, as a Jew, worshiped the God of Abraham who welcomed Gentiles.  

(the ESV that comes up in the link above uses the word “visitors” instead of proselytes. Every translation I have read uses the word proselytes.) 

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April 12, 2021 - 4:22 pm

I see what you mean. There certainly are passages in the old Testament where gentiles are invited to join Israel (some are even echoed in the New Testament like Luke 4:25-27), but I’m still puzzled both by some of the very anti-Gentile teachings that do exist in the New Testament, as well as the overarching fact that Paul was thrown out of Jerusalem because he was so liberal towards Gentiles in comparison to James. Like, if Jesus was as pro-Gentile as is pictured in the Bible, not “there is an odd passage here and there for becoming an Israelite in the Old Testament” but Great Commission style “make everyone in the world a Christian”, how could there be such a robust following of his in Jerusalem by the time of Paul just 20 years later? 

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April 12, 2021 - 5:48 pm

“If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.” It’s the duck test.
No matter what Acts says or seems to say. Or what Linda hopes for.
The new testament is just a later “Christian” appropriation of Jewish culture.
The Jewish people were specially chosen to enter into a covenant with God. Judaism treasured this idea. An idea deeply rooted in the Talmudic texts and mystical Judaism.
Proof for Jewish “chosenness” is found in the Book of Deuteronomy (1) where it says: “for you are a people holy to the LORD your God. Out of all the peoples on the face of the earth, the LORD has chosen you to be his treasured possession.”
The Book of Genesis: “When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the LORD appeared to him and said, -I am God Almighty walk before me and be blameless. I will confirm my covenant between me and you and will greatly increase your numbers.-” (2)
People believe that Jesus at his young age traveled to India where he became enlightened or that his message was directed toward the whole of humanity.

The crude reality is that he was just a duck.

(1) Deuteronomy 2
(2) Genesis 17 1:2

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April 13, 2021 - 8:21 am

Robert said
Bart makes a pretty good case that the ‘parable’ of the Son of Man separating the sheep and goats in Matthew 25 is authentic and that it indicates Jesus’ open attitude toward gentiles being admitted into the Kingdom of God when the Son of Man would come in judgment (see ** you do not have permission to see this link ** is enlightening in this respect. As the coming judgment was delayed, it should not come as a surprise that some of Jesus’ later followers, eg, James, might have assumed that gentiles, eg, God fearers attracted to the message of Jesus, should also convert to Judaism, while others, eg, Cephas, were more open to a gentile ministry that did not require circumcision or other strictly Jewish practices. That Cephas was initially open to ‘eating with and living like a gentile’ in the mixed community in Antioch before ‘the coming of the men from James’ seems significant to me.

  

Thank you so much for your explanation! 

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April 25, 2021 - 3:52 pm

** you do not have permission to see this link ** “But Jesus said unto her, Let the children first be filled: for it is not meet to take the children’s bread, and to cast it unto the dogs”

This always struck me as based on a memory of a turning point, or rather, transitional period, in Jesus’ attitude towards Gentiles. It may not have happened this way, or in the form of any single incident (what seems likely imo is that this event, like others narrated in the gospels summarizes what happened in a more “spread out” manner) but it significant. The woman represents the occasional Gentile who came to him during his ministry, which likely wasn’t driven by as set-in-stone point of view as the gospels would have us believe. And moreover, if he chose to minister to the most marginalized members of society, this might have included the odd Gentile, whom he was perhaps at first, reluctant to deal with. Now this isn’t necessarily because he thought less of them, but since his sermons and interpretations of the law wouldn’t have made a whole lot of sense to non-Jews nor healings/exorcisms have been as effective without some degree of prior cultural conditioning – to usher in the kingdom of God,  he might’ve felt the need to get the fire started where the wood was most flammable; with Jews who felt like they had failed God’s law. Eventually he came to recognize the sincerity of Gentiles who’d come to him for healing/discipleship, and that started to matter more and more.

One could of course, accepting the event as even less literally true to Jesus’ experiences, make the case that it parabolically recalls the transitional period in the ministry of Jesus’ followers years or decades after his death, towards the inclusion of Gentiles. Or, even a little of both; the followers, including his brother James, may have been inspired by a tradition behind the Canaanite woman story (or stories like it) originating with Jesus, to accept more and more Gentiles in need of healing (ie. making ready for the coming Kingdom; which is different from conversion) without requiring them to subscribe to the many Jewish laws they had themselves been born and raised in.

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