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Were Jesus and God LIARS?
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john76

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March 27, 2017 - 7:51 pm
Dr. James McGrath said in a blog post last year that :
 
“I found myself wondering whether Jesus might have been viewed by the Gospel author as, like God, above such ethical matters just as God could be depicted as sending a lying spirit to deceive a king (1 Kings 22:22). I also wonder whether Jesus might be an example of the appropriateness of deception in order to preserve oneself in a context of persecution.” see ** you do not have permission to see this link **
 
What do you think of Dr. James McGrath calling Jesus and God liars?
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March 28, 2017 - 4:20 pm

john76 said

Dr. James McGrath said in a blog post last year that :
 
“I found myself wondering whether Jesus might have been viewed by the Gospel author as, like God, above such ethical matters just as God could be depicted as sending a lying spirit to deceive a king (1 Kings 22:22). I also wonder whether Jesus might be an example of the appropriateness of deception in order to preserve oneself in a context of persecution.” see ** you do not have permission to see this link **
 
What do you think of Dr. James McGrath calling Jesus and God liars?  
In case anyone is interested in the topic of “Lies and Deception” in the ancient world, I’m starting a new Blog on that topic called “Palpatine’s Way.”  My first post on “Lying in the Judeo Christian and Greek traditions” is now up here:
 
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My next two posts will be on Dr. Ehrman’s forgery books, and Tricksters in the ancient world.
 
Stop by and let me know what you think!
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March 29, 2017 - 9:37 am

A better question might be whether or not lying was always considered a sin? You might think so judging from the way Christian apologists scramble to explain the passage in John. Actually the text is very ambiguous.  It’s hard to see what the point of the story is in the first place.  It’s possible that the original text is corrupted here and the translators make due best they can.  I’ll have to dig out my copy of Raymond Brown’s commentary on John.  He’s considered the guru of Johannine studies and it will be interesting to get his take.   

We’ve had this conversation before, but my problem with your theory is that it presupposes we have access to the inner motivations of these ancient writers which we do not. You may be correct that Paul was being duplicitous but we have no real reason to think so.  I suspect he was one of a long line of deluded but perfectly sincere religious fanatics (like Jesus probably was) and it’s not a lie to tell something you think is true even if turns out to be false. 

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