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Why Do Historians Say People *MUST* Have Seen "Something"?
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cstu

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August 3, 2022 - 10:49 pm

This is a little of my bone to pick with historians. We have zero evidence that anyone actually saw Jesus after he died. What we can assume is that at least one person *claimed* they saw Jesus after he died.

While Paul (our first writing on the subject) wrote in ** you do not have permission to see this link ** that Jesus appeared to over 500 people before him, there’s no evidence of this. In fact, Paul didn’t even visit the area where it happened until years after Jesus died. 

This is the article that inspired me to write this:

** you do not have permission to see this link **

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Adnantell

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August 3, 2022 - 11:05 pm

When Christians can give a consistent account of why some resurrection stories occured or had “something happen” and others did not, then I’ll take it a bit more seriously…

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JAS

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August 4, 2022 - 6:07 am

Adnantell said
When Christians can give a consistent account of why some resurrection stories occured or had “something happen” and others did not, then I’ll take it a bit more seriously…

  

A very safe promise since we only have the stories we have, and as we have them. They will, of course, never provide the certainty demanded. But, to be fair, look at almost any modern news accounts of any even slightly complicated situation, and you see a similar problem. In a way, our modern resources make the problem even worse, but if we cannot give consistent and accurate accounts of events that we are currently observing, how do we expect so much more of ancient sources?

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Adnantell

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August 4, 2022 - 7:11 am

Sorry I mean consistent by explaining why I should privilege this one account and not these other stories of resurrections. 

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JAS

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August 4, 2022 - 9:01 am

Adnantell said
Sorry I mean consistent by explaining why I should privilege this one account and not these other stories of resurrections. 

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I am not sure how that is a clarification. You want Christians to explain inconsistencies between accounts that they typically do not even see as inconsistencies (or at least ones of any importance)?

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Adnantell

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August 4, 2022 - 11:51 am

Why take the new testament stories seriously and not other historical figures with mythical properties seriously. My bad!!!

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JAS

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August 4, 2022 - 11:59 am

Adnantell said
Why take the new testament stories seriously and not other historical figures with mythical properties seriously. My bad!!!

  

Probably because they have not been taught from a young age that the other stories with mythical properties were true, and consequently they have not invested much of their personal identity in them. I am not saying that you should adopt their views, merely that you are not going to get anywhere demanding that they meet your level of proof or consistency. And those levels may not be reasonable, particularly for historical and especially ancient stories.

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CEJ

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August 4, 2022 - 12:10 pm

Adnantell said
Why take the new testament stories seriously and not other historical figures with mythical properties seriously. My bad!!!

  

Would you guys keep it down?

I’m listening to Kryptonite by 2 Doors Down:

What’s wrong with ya’ll?

BTW: The Iron Giant is a hidden gem for young kids, especially boys.

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Adnantell

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August 4, 2022 - 12:23 pm

Grew up watching the Iron giant and loved it

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